Merged [Ed] Infinite Apirism - The Continuity of the Boundless

[Dave Rogers]

( I do not use the term "Exist" because to exist something needs to have a Beginning and an End).

So the concept of a circle doesn't exist now either?

Dave

 

[W.D.Clinger]

And you proved exactly what I assert with your labyrinth analogy. Namely that there is NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE NOTHING.

Absolutely no such thing. As though a collection of absolutely all such things of which there are absolutely none would be a collection containing absolutely nothing.

Because obviously you cannot get nothing out of Absolute Nothing.

This thread stands as a counterexample.

"The really great thing about the infinite is that there is so much of it." (Overheard at a watering hole near Purdue.)

There's a whole lot of nothing in this thread alone, but that's not such a great thing.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

History of the Universe:
First there was nothing.
Then there was something.

Standby for further updates as warranted.

 

[turingtest]

It's like someone decided to make deeeeep philosophical hay out of that old Steven Wright joke- "you can't have everything, where would you put it?"

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's like someone decided to make deeeeep philosophical hay out of that old Steven Wright joke- "you can't have everything, where would you put it?"

It's already where it was put. Not hard.

 

[turingtest]

It's already where it was put. Not hard.

Like his seashell collection, which he keeps lying scattered on beaches all around the world.

 

[Myriad]

The Infinite being infinite can move both towards the Infinite Macrocosm and within Itself towards the Infinite Microcosm.

No it can't. It's already there.

It's like an omniscient being who knows everything, but because of that, is unable to learn anything. Lack of limits introduces limits. Being everywhere precludes movement. Knowing everything precludes learning. Life and mind depend on flows and flows require limits.

There is Infinite number of variable formations within the Infinite.

Variety without selectivity (limits) is stasis. Infinite variety is infinite entropy, which is death.

If you could "delete" the Infinite were would you dispose it into? Absolute Nothing? Could you dispose even Absolute Nothing into Itself since THERE WOULD/COULD SIMPLY NOT BE SUCH A THING? Absolute nothing is Inconceivable?

The Void isn't absolute nothing. It's contingent unbecoming which is one of the two requirements for existence (the other, of course, being the Vortex.) The Vortex asserts its own existence but it can only do so by bracing against the Void within itself. This is not only conceivable, but necessary.

An Infinte Energy / Intelligence-Consiousness / Matter though conceivable, could not form out of Absolute Nothing. The three fundamental concepts of the Infinite, namely Energy / Intelligence - Consciousness / Matter are Indispensable; without any of the three the other two could not be / function ( I do not use the term "Exist" because to exist something needs to have a Beginning and an End).

Matter is energy locked into repeating patterns. Intelligence is patterns with selection. Consciousness is stories about the storyteller. Knowledge resides in the finite. An infinite answer to "what is the capital of Michigan?" is no answer at all as it takes way too long to read. The useful answer is the right seven letters.

 

[Joe Random]

Stoner Philosophy School has just broken up for the summer, hasn't it?

Has someone been set some class of holiday project?

 

[sackett]

The Master said, "At the center there is nothing"
The pupil replied, "That's a line from the Tao te Ching."
The Master rejoined, "Then here's another: The journey of a thou--"
"--sand miles begins with a single step. More old stuff," the pupil interjected,
and added, "The journey also ends with a single step. Maybe right where it started?"
The Master smiled with his teeth. "Then at the center of the journey there is nothing. Just
as I said." The pupil was about to speak, but the Master added, "Your ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ little
hike anyway, Donnie."
"Well la de dah, Buffalo Bob," the pupil shot back.
They began to slap weakly at each other. Passers by paid no attention.

 

[Apathia]

Contrary to my profile pic (well maybe in the spirit of it),
"Accentuate the positive!"
I'm not OK. You're not OK.
But That's OK!

 

[tazanastazio]

I'll answer you all in a sequence of most sensible response to least, while I continue to "BUSHWACK" myself through weeds of run in circles nonsense.

Here therefore,

The word bushwhack originated in the United States in the early 19th century as a literal term for walking through heavy woods by hitting the brush, later evolving during the Civil War to mean hiding in the bushes to launch a surprise attack.

 

[theprestige]

I'll answer you all in a sequence of most sensible response to least, while I continue to "BUSHWACK" myself through weeds of run in circles nonsense.

Here therefore,

The word bushwhack originated in the United States in the early 19th century as a literal term for walking through heavy woods by hitting the brush, later evolving during the Civil War to mean hiding in the bushes to launch a surprise attack.

I see we've reached the Zeno's Argument stage.

You could have posted your first answer in the sequence, instead of this irrelevant nonsense.

My prediction is that your next post will also not be an answer your sequence, but yet another prevaricating side track.

My prediction is that you will continue to prevaricate, always promising to get to your answers, and always finding an excuse to do it later.

 

[tazanastazio]

The circle in this design depicts the inclusion of all concepts within the Infinite as they are all depicted by the fundamental concepts in math, namely positive and negative ("+" and "- " within the circle) and the unit/stage/realm (depicted by "I"); the black backround being the Infinite which includes Everything and from which Everything forms and to which everything de-forms (and in extent includes every concept generated through Philosophy and Science to describe Everything conceived through cignition . The center of the design is any arbitrarily taken 0 to divide a segment between negative and positive - general concepts depicted through matg that exist only within the realm of Finite and do not apply to the Infinite.

To respond therefore to an aforementioned argument,

Yes David the concept of a circle does exist, exactly as that, a concept within a FINITE realm, but look at the image, any part of the circle can be Infinitely divided, which includes the outer perimeter, skin of the circle; the circle itself is part of the Infinite too (when you have divided even its skin to infinity. Even in the subatomic realm, what consists a shape, or a body? How about the quantum realm? How about the Infinite void/energy matter "field" the quanta "pop" out of?
What is a circle or any shape anyway? A human conceived idea.

 

[tazanastazio]

The circle in this design depicts the inclusion of all concepts within the Infinite as they are all depicted by the fundamental concepts in math, namely positive and negative ("+" and "- " within the circle) and the unit/stage/realm (depicted by "I"); the black backround being the Infinite which includes Everything and from which Everything forms and to which everything deforms (and in extent generevery concept conceived to describe eveeything). The center of the design is any arbitrarily taken 0 to divide a segment between negative and positive - ideas/concepts that exist only within the realm of Finite and do not apply to the Infinite.
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I see we've reached the Zeno's Argument stage.

You could have posted your first answer in the sequence, instead of this irrelevant nonsense.

My prediction is that your next post will also not be an answer your sequence, but yet another prevaricating side track.

My prediction is that you will continue to prevaricate, always promising to get to your answers, and always finding an excuse to do it later.

My time is not Infinite.

If you expect a response, avoid burying your point in rhetorical verbosity. Do not force your audience to untangle a Gordian Knot of words just to exhaust them into agreement.

Speak directly. Refrain from circular evasions, manipulative demagoguery, and the insulting obfuscation of throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.

Drop the word salad, the bafflegarb, and the doubletalk. Equivocation and Gish galloping are games that anyone can play—but they are a waste of time.

 

[theprestige]

At least it's human slop, and not the clanker thing.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

tazanastazio,

Since you have started another "Infinity" thread, I thought I should reply here since you don't understand several things.

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn mathematics and geometry because you do not understand what a point and a line segment is.

If you have a line segment made up by 2 units

... then you have two line segments. A line segment is made of all the points between a starting point and an end point. When you have a hole in your shirt, you don't say "I have part of a hole here and a part of a hole there", you have two holes!

You missed where I said I have a line segments with a length of two units (e.g. kilometer, quarter inch, smoot^WP the distance between here and there, London to Never Never Land, etc.).

And because you have two line segments, these segments have the probability to intersect each other, be parallel, skew, or never intersect each other. You never said that they were on the same plane. You need to be specific.

Let's see focus on just one of the line segments, and see what else you get wrong.

where each of the units is comprised by infinite points

Great! You actually do understand that points make up a line segment, but then you say this....

technically you never get to the mid point because the 2 units technically never meet;

Do you not understand how to bisect a line segment? Watch a YouTube video to show how you can bisect a line segment to find the mid point. If you want to talk about finding a midpoint between two line segments on the same line, then use the two endpoints of the two line segments that are closest to each other, and then use the same technique to find the midpoint. I can find the mid point between London and Paris even though they don't touch. If there are two line segments, in the same three dimensional space, you can find the midpoint between one end point of one line segment and either end point of the other line segment. You don't know what you're talking about.

you would be splitting units in half to infinity; hence the concept of infinite infinities.

No. You are not "splitting units in half to infinity". You are splitting one line segment once.

Say you have a line; it is a unit. The middle of it you name "0" and you have a positive and negative side.

Cool. We have a number line. It will start at -1 (negative one) inclusive and end at +1 (positive one) inclusive. There is a center point 0 (zero).

Yet that 0 point is a line/unit in itself and it also can be split and so on infinitely.

No. Any point cannot be split, just as you cannot split zero. There are an infinite amount of numbers between -1 and 0 as well as between 0 and +1, but you cannot split any of the points.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yes David the concept of a circle does exist,

Good, we're getting somewhere.

When did the concept of a circle begin to exist?

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

If you expect a response, avoid burying your point in rhetorical verbosity. Do not force your audience to untangle a Gordian Knot of words just to exhaust them into agreement.

Speak directly. Refrain from circular evasions, manipulative demagoguery, and the insulting obfuscation of throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.

Drop the word salad, the bafflegarb, and the doubletalk. Equivocation and Gish galloping are games that anyone can play—but they are a waste of time.

I'm reminded of a famous statement by that renowned philosopher, John McEnroe:

"I was talking to myself!"

Dave

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Snip...

Drop the word salad, the bafflegarb, and the doubletalk. Equivocation and Gish galloping are games that anyone can play—but they are a waste of time.

And when you do that, what do you have left?

My snippage is a bit of a clue...

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Sometimes I find myself longing for the good old days, back when I was a baby nurse on an acute admissions ward or later on when I did agency and frequently worked on acute admission wards, of good old-fashioned psychotic word salad, loosening of association, echolalia, coprolalia, knight's move thinking, paranoid ideation, neologisms and all the rest...