Merged [Ed] Infinite Apirism - The Continuity of the Boundless

[tazanastazio]

Me too.

Oh yeah, and shut the ◊◊◊◊ up, Donnie.

Back at you Kamala (I choose to take your sentence on face value and appropriate it to my purpose).

 

[tazanastazio]

"Professionally"??? "Kamala" the politician???

I think we have a budding new Vixen here.

She thought she was and yes politics are involved in the work place; which country do you reside in?

 

[tazanastazio]

I find that obsessive focus on the infinite is a mental crutch, a distraction, a relief from the terror of contemplating the Very Numerous, which, like Lovecraft's eldritch horrors, can threaten the mind. Minds, after all, are themselves composed of Very Numerous elements that exhibit daunting variety rather than repetition of the identical. You think you're contemplating infinity but you're not; you're using mental shortcuts like endlessness and identical copying to avoid addressing the Very Numerous quantities that one encounters on the way to infinity. You don't dare grasp, for instance, the number of books in the Babel Library (that is, the number of possible combinations of a limited' alphabet of symbols up to the length of a typical bound book), even though that's a number that can itself be expressed in decimal notation in a printed book (if the book is thick and the print small), which makes it a relatively small quantity as these things go. Such quantities as the googolplex and Graham's Number are vastly larger. Yet they fall infinitely short of infinite.

And you proved exactly what I assert with your labyrinth analogy. Namely that there is NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE NOTHING.

Out of 0 you get 0,
From Infinity you have Infinity.

You cannot have both one and the other.

Why?

Because obviously you cannot get nothing out of Absolute Nothing.

And,

The Infinite cannot include pockets of absolute nothing because that would nullify infinity and would make it a FINITE, LIMITTED EXISTENCE/ENTITY of a limit/a realm/a stage/a field.

If you have existence it must be formed from the Infinite and De-form back to the Infinite,

because it cannot come out of absolute nothing but from an Infinite Energy field.

If the Infinite lacked on ANY characteristic it would NOT be Infinite but FINITE!

EXCEPT for the characteristics which had the Infinite possessed, they would deem it just a finite Entity/Realm/Stage/Field/Existence;

Namely the characteristics of Time, Absolute Nothing/Empty Space/ AND EXISTENCE!

These three characteristics would deem the Infinite Finite; yet thst COULD NOT BE A POSSIBILITY because,

* HAD THE INFINITE BEING JUST A FINITE EXISTENCE, BOUND TO LIMITS and TIME; and had it been actually PERFORATED WITH EMPTY POCKETS/ZEROS,

NOTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE EVER EXISTED!

 

[PitPat]

I can prove I got infinitely dumber just reading that.

 

[Norman Alexander]

"ChatGPT, write a post full of gibberish about infinity and time but like I was off my tits on LSD."

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"The really great thing about the infinite is that there is so much of it." (Overheard at a watering hole near Purdue.)

 

[tazanastazio]

And you proved exactly what I assert with your labyrinth analogy. Namely that there is NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE NOTHING.

Out of 0 you get 0,
From Infinity you have Infinity.

You cannot have both one and the other.

Why?

Because obviously you cannot get nothing out of Absolute Nothing.

And,

The Infinite cannot include pockets of absolute nothing because that would nullify infinity and would make it a FINITE, LIMITTED EXISTENCE/ENTITY of a limit/a realm/a stage/a field.

If you have existence it must be formed from the Infinite and De-form back to the Infinite,

because it cannot come out of absolute nothing but from an Infinite Energy field.

If the Infinite lacked on ANY characteristic it would NOT be Infinite but FINITE!

EXCEPT for the characteristics which had the Infinite possessed, they would deem it just a finite Entity/Realm/Stage/Field/Existence;

Namely the characteristics of Time, Absolute Nothing/Empty Space/ AND EXISTENCE!

These three characteristics would deem the Infinite Finite; yet thst COULD NOT BE A POSSIBILITY because,

* HAD THE INFINITE BEING JUST A FINITE EXISTENCE, BOUND TO LIMITS and TIME; and had it been actually PERFORATED WITH EMPTY POCKETS/ZEROS,

NOTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE EVER EXISTED!

Do I need to add that time is an emerging characteristic of gravity and influence of forces on objects to explain that the Infinite is not bound to it and that actually time is ONLY the OBSERVED/OBSERVABLE outcome of these interacting forces on matter within our finite Universe, the EFFECT on objects and matter and that it doesn't have actual physical properties or influence as is the case with gravity and energy or the impact of actions and reactions within matter.

In that sense and from that perspective, and regarding the Infinite,


TIME IS AN ILLUSION AND IT DOES NOT EXIST, (let alone it being travellable tsk. tsk...)

 

[LiteBright]

Wait, I thought time was a cube. No?

 

[arthwollipot]

I don't play video games either btw, go figure.

Perhaps you should.

 

[arthwollipot]

...I got myself caught in weeds of silliness through which I had to bushwack my way out...

That word does not mean what you think it means.

 

[arthwollipot]

And you proved exactly what I assert with your labyrinth analogy. Namely that there is NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE NOTHING.

Out of 0 you get 0,
From Infinity you have Infinity.

You cannot have both one and the other.

Why?

Because obviously you cannot get nothing out of Absolute Nothing.

Define the phrase "get out of". What do you mean by that? What do you mean you get 0 out of 0?

Also, please define the terms "nothing" and "Absolute Nothing" and precisely how they differ.

 

[Dave Rogers]

And as I said before don't discuss politics , it is not professionaly agreeable. Therefore back at you.

And as I said before, I don't discuss politics on social media, it is not professionaly agreeable. Therefore back at you Kamala.

Back at you Kamala.

Do you realise that you are the only one discussing politics here?

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

I responded that it stands true since if an absolute nothing existed, everything else could never exist.

So the "burden of proof" is for you to prove the latter false, since you will NEVER be able to, my assertion stands as the ONLY reasonable one

I would argue that, since your posts here exist and have been derived from your body of relevant knowledge, the burden of proof is met.

Dave

 

[Carrot Flower King]

How do you know it wasn't Jeff Bridges' career highlight if nothing ever existed?

It wasn't, per me introducing The Big Lebowski to the discussion.

Many of his roles were far better: I usually top the list with Fisher King, edging out The Last Picture Show, give an honourable mention to Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, a serious consideration to his version of Rooster Cogburn, throw in Hell Or High Water and Bad Times At the El Royale, reckon he made a great baddie in Iron Man...

 

[PitPat]

I think my favorite is American Heart, if it existed.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Deep joy.....

Is that the Stanley Unwin who was born within the sound of Bow's Bells in South Africa?

 

[Myriad]

And you proved exactly what I assert with your labyrinth analogy. Namely that there is NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE NOTHING.

Out of 0 you get 0,
From Infinity you have Infinity.

You cannot have both one and the other.

Why?

Because obviously you cannot get nothing out of Absolute Nothing.

And,

The Infinite cannot include pockets of absolute nothing because that would nullify infinity and would make it a FINITE, LIMITTED EXISTENCE/ENTITY of a limit/a realm/a stage/a field.

If you have existence it must be formed from the Infinite and De-form back to the Infinite,

because it cannot come out of absolute nothing but from an Infinite Energy field.

If the Infinite lacked on ANY characteristic it would NOT be Infinite but FINITE!

EXCEPT for the characteristics which had the Infinite possessed, they would deem it just a finite Entity/Realm/Stage/Field/Existence;

Namely the characteristics of Time, Absolute Nothing/Empty Space/ AND EXISTENCE!
* HAD THE INFINITE BEING JUST A FINITE EXISTENCE, BOUND TO LIMITS and TIME; and had it been actually PERFORATED WITH EMPTY POCKETS/ZEROS,

NOTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE EVER EXISTED!

Cantor's Dust dusts your claims. You can delete the infinite from the infinite an infinite number of times producing an infinite number of empty gaps and what remains is exactly the same infinity that matches up point for point with the original.

Infinity is lazy. An infinite energy field is an infinite blank space, possibly light instead of dark but still blank, like a vast empty page. Without limits there is no variation, and without variation there is no movement, meaning, or life.

 

[tazanastazio]

Cantor's Dust dusts your claims. You can delete the infinite from the infinite an infinite number of times producing an infinite number of empty gaps and what remains is exactly the same infinity that matches up point for point with the original.

Infinity is lazy. An infinite energy field is an infinite blank space, possibly light instead of dark but still blank, like a vast empty page. Without limits there is no variation, and without variation there is no movement, meaning, or life.

The Infinite being infinite can move both towards the Infinite Macrocosm and within Itself towards the Infinite Microcosm. There is Infinite number of variable formations within the Infinite. If you could "delete" the Infinite were would you dispose it into? Absolute Nothing? Could you dispose even Absolute Nothing into Itself since THERE WOULD/COULD SIMPLY NOT BE SUCH A THING? Absolute nothing is Inconceivable? An Infinte Energy / Intelligence-Consiousness / Matter though conceivable, could not form out of Absolute Nothing. The three fundamental concepts of the Infinite, namely Energy / Intelligence - Consciousness / Matter are Indispensable; without any of the three the other two could not be / function ( I do not use the term "Exist" because to exist something needs to have a Beginning and an End).

 

[arthwollipot]

I think most of the problem here stems from using the word "infinite" as a noun, rather than as an adjective.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Stoner Philosophy School has just broken up for the summer, hasn't it?

Has someone been set some class of holiday project?