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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

I think ApolloHoax (662 members) used to be the best place to put moonbat CT theories through the buzz saw, but it is a small and obscure form compared to ISF (3800?), which itself is rather small.
 
Joe Random said:
Clearly the Apollo 11 photos were faked, because as you can clearly see in this actual photo you can in fact capture stars quite easily :

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Up here are literally hundreds and thousands of shining, twinkling, and flashing stars. And they're shining and flashing and twinkling and flashing and...
 
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Steve said:
57 years and not one person of the hundreds of thousands who worked on the project has ever broken their silence to claim, even to their own family, that their contribution was to help fake it. The US government control over their citizens is astounding.
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The comparison that always comes to my mind was the 10,000 or so people who worked on wartime codebreaking at Bletchley Park. The Enigma story didn't leak into the public domain for over 30 years. There was at least one old married couple who only discovered in the late '70s that they had both worked there.

But.

Apollo of course concerns ten times as many people, double the time has now passed, and the fundamental difference is that the codebreakers were made to understand right from the beginning that they could never talk about the work they did. It was their clear patriotic duty. They were keeping silent for their country, not lying to deceive their country (and everyone else).
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The comparison that always comes to my mind was the 10,000 or so people who worked on wartime codebreaking at Bletchley Park. The Enigma story didn't leak into the public domain for over 30 years. There was at least one old married couple who only discovered in the late '70s that they had both worked there.
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In US history, the best exmple (I can think of) of a large scale secret project was F-117 program, which went operational in 1979 based out of Tonopah. But that was maybe 700 to 1,000 people maximum. They had their own tanker crews for refueling, and they flew against unaware US Army anti-aircraft crews in Nevada, and California.

However, nothing is ever 100% secure - ever. Early in 1981/1982 Hasagawa, the Japanese model maker, released an updated USAF A-7D kit (in 1/72 scale). The F-117 project's cover story was a squadron of A-7D were receiving avionic upgrades, and were being tested in Nevada. The box art for this particular kit featured a silver disk-shaped aircraft pealing away in the background, and this shape was one of the common publically speculated designs for the mythical stealth fighter:

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So even with all the security keeping the F-117 under wraps, someone working in a Japanese model kit company knew what was actually going on out there, and the box art was a polite wink in their direct. And yes, the USAF command at Tonopah had a minor stroke when they saw the kit. So in less than three years, the existence of an operational stealth fighter was known by a foriegn entity.

There is no way they could fake the Apollo missions.
 
Axxman300 said:
In US history, the best exmple (I can think of) of a large scale secret project was F-117 program, which went operational in 1979 based out of Tonopah. But that was maybe 700 to 1,000 people maximum. They had their own tanker crews for refueling, and they flew against unaware US Army anti-aircraft crews in Nevada, and California.

However, nothing is ever 100% secure - ever. Early in 1981/1982 Hasagawa, the Japanese model maker, released an updated USAF A-7D kit (in 1/72 scale). The F-117 project's cover story was a squadron of A-7D were receiving avionic upgrades, and were being tested in Nevada. The box art for this particular kit featured a silver disk-shaped aircraft pealing away in the background, and this shape was one of the common publically speculated designs for the mythical stealth fighter:

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So even with all the security keeping the F-117 under wraps, someone working in a Japanese model kit company knew what was actually going on out there, and the box art was a polite wink in their direct. And yes, the USAF command at Tonopah had a minor stroke when they saw the kit. So in less than three years, the existence of an operational stealth fighter was known by a foriegn entity.

There is no way they could fake the Apollo missions.
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Don't forget that Project Stealth Fighter was released to the Commodore 64 while the government was still denying the existence of the F-117. And the MicroProse F-19 PC game was in development well before the Air Force finally admitted the existence of the F-117 in November 1988 (the same month as the MicroProse game release), and still was able to depict the general shape and characteristics of the F-117.
 
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Smock said:
Don't forget that Project Stealth Fighter was released to the Commodore 64 while the government was still denying the existence of the F-117. And the MicroProse F-19 PC game was in development well before the Air Force finally admitted the existence of the F-117 in November 1988 (the same month as the MicroProse game release), and still was able to depict the general shape and characteristics of the F-117.
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The F-19 models I saw were nothing like the actual F-117. Ben Rich even talked about this in his book, Skunk Works.

From his book;
.... Testors was making a fortune with a model they called the F-19, claiming it was America’s supersecret stealth fighter. They took the front end of our Blackbird, put a couple of engines on it, and advertised it as the stealth fighter.
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The image used for modeling in the game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F19-projections.gif

I consider this to the the complete opposite of "the general shape and characteristics of the F-117". https://www.aerospaceutah.org/wp-content/uploads/F-117-Nighthawk-scaled.jpg
 
This is off topic, but I cannot get an answer in another part of the forum.

Is the ApolloHoax.net forum down now? I cannot log on and am unable to get an email from the website when requested.

The last post on the forum is from July 9th. Thanks.
 
Vixen said:
So, now that we are all on the same page, tell us which satellite was used to beam TV images to earth, and whilst you are busy, the logistical steps by which to set it up for that exact time and place.
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The same satellite that Mariner 4 used in 1965 to beam TV images back to Earth from FRICKIN' MARS: None.
 
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