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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

If you can identify the planets' positions relative to each other, including the Moon and Earth (might be useful to note the sun's aspect [which we presume we know anyway]). These aspects can then be timed and dated quite precisely. One would hope it matches the date and time of the Moon landing.
One doesn't have to hope. The photographs in which Venus appears have been matched in Stellarium to their expected positions at that time, date, as seen from that place on the Moon. Venus is the only planet photographed from the lunar surface.

The stars don't change.
 
If you can identify the planets' positions relative to each other, including the Moon and Earth (might be useful to note the Sun's aspect [which we presume we know anyway]). These aspects can then be timed and dated quite precisely. One would hope it matches the date and time of the Moon landing.
Which brings us back to the point made earlier. If one can accurately determine where the stars should be, then the same knowledge can be used to place them in the images.

If the stars should have been visible, then faking them would have been quite a simple matter. The idea that NASA, of all agencies, couldn't accurately determine what stars would be visible from the locations and times given for each landing is simply ridiculous. And the notion that they couldn't have composited those stars into the photos betrays a lack of knowledge. It's the classic conspiracy theorist failure point of "I don't know how to do that, therefore nobody does".
 
Which brings us back to the point made earlier. If one can accurately determine where the stars should be, then the same knowledge can be used to place them in the images.

If the stars should have been visible, then faking them would have been quite a simple matter. The idea that NASA, of all agencies, couldn't accurately determine what stars would be visible from the locations and times given for each landing is simply ridiculous. And the notion that they couldn't have composited those stars into the photos betrays a lack of knowledge. It's the classic conspiracy theorist failure point of "I don't know how to do that, therefore nobody does".
I'm not sure. It's possible a boffin could place them locationwise. Whilst Venus, Mercury and Mars (the red one) albeit hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of miles away from each other in reality, from our aspect on Earth, they can often be seen together, and sometimes Jupiter is bright enough, too. Not sure where the star constellations come in but then perhaps it could only tell us whether it's Southern or Northern hemisphere because obviously, they're used as fixed navigation points (e.g., the Southern Cross) so won't vary much at all.

The thing is, whilst sure, it could be 'faked' in retrospect, they'd need to calculate it in advance of the live broadcast, which could be full of pitfalls if the timing is delayed or forwarded.
 
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If the stars should have been visible, then faking them would have been quite a simple matter.
The smart hoax advocates usually concede this one on the first pass. "We don't know where to put the stars, therefore we'll just leave them out and no one will miss them."

[Jay folds his arms and stares disapprovingly yet silently...]

"Oh, right, duh."

The idea that NASA, of all agencies, couldn't accurately determine what stars would be visible from the locations and times given for each landing is simply ridiculous.
And it would have come as a big surprise to all the private manufacturers of planetarium instruments, including the people who made the lenses for the Apollo cameras.
 
I'm not sure.
Funny, I am.

It's possible a boffin could place them locationwise.
Irrelevant. The claim is self-defeating. If no boffin exists who can determine where the stars should be, then there's no problem putting stars in the wrong place. If some boffin knows where the stars should be, he can be hired to do it right.

The original Kaysing claim was that even amateur astronomers would notice the difference, so NASA wouldn't even dare try. So if all these people in the world know where the stars should be...

...sometimes Jupiter is bright enough, too.
Jupiter is not bright enough to be photographed with the Hasselblad cameras. I demonstrated this for you early in the thread. Venus is the only planet bright enough to be photographed with the still cameras. It was photographed and verified to appear in the expected place.

Not sure where the star constellations come in...
Funny, I am. The stars in the celestial sphere do not change their relative positions when moving from Earth to Moon.

The thing is, whilst sure, it could be 'faked' in retrospect, they'd need to calculate it in advance of the live broadcast, which could be full of pitfalls if the timing is delayed or forwarded.
The television camera used on Apollo 11, when adjusted for daylight exposure, could not register stars. As you are well aware, that is beyond the dynamic range of any camera.
 
I'm not sure. It's possible a boffin could place them locationwise. Whilst Venus, Mercury and Mars (the red one) albeit hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of miles away from each other in reality, from our aspect on Earth, they can often be seen together, and sometimes Jupiter is bright enough, too.
Any schoolkid knows that the closest the inner plants get to each other is in the order of tens of millions of kilometers. Planets in the solar system never get remotely close to being within the order of hundreds of thousands of miles from each other.

You’re probably the only person reading this thread who doesn’t know this, you haven’t the vaguest idea of the scale of the solar system.
 
Any schoolkid knows that the closest the inner plants get to each other is in the order of tens of millions of kilometers. Planets in the solar system never get remotely close to being within the order of hundreds of thousands of miles from each other.

You’re probably the only person reading this thread who doesn’t know this, you haven’t the vaguest idea of the scale of the solar system.
Vixen is so proud to display her vast ignorance of all things science.
 
As a kid doing quiz stuff in middle school, I knew an AU was a sun-to-earth level unit, and that constellations wouldn't look different to an amatuer until you'd shifted perspective by dozens of AUs, and got out of the inner solar system at least. In fact the position of Venus would be the first thing to worry about, if that was your worry.
 
Any schoolkid knows that the closest the inner plants get to each other is in the order of tens of millions of kilometers. Planets in the solar system never get remotely close to being within the order of hundreds of thousands of miles from each other.

You’re probably the only person reading this thread who doesn’t know this, you haven’t the vaguest idea of the scale of the solar system.
I said 'hundreds of thousands if not millions' to allow for the fact Brits and Americans don't always mean the same thing!
 
As @Foster Zygote said, "the notion that they couldn't have composited those stars into the photos betrays a lack of knowledge."

@Vixen lacks that knowledge, so she isn't sure. @JayUtah, however, actually knows what he's talking about.

It's possible a boffin could place them locationwise.
Irrelevant. The claim is self-defeating. If no boffin exists who can determine where the stars should be, then there's no problem putting stars in the wrong place. If some boffin knows where the stars should be, he can be hired to do it right.

The original Kaysing claim was that even amateur astronomers would notice the difference, so NASA wouldn't even dare try. So if all these people in the world know where the stars should be...
@Vixen was unable to think that through, but @JayUtah figured it out.

...sometimes Jupiter is bright enough, too.
Jupiter is not bright enough to be photographed with the Hasselblad cameras. I demonstrated this for you early in the thread. Venus is the only planet bright enough to be photographed with the still cameras. It was photographed and verified to appear in the expected place.
@Vixen didn't remember that. Must have forgotten. When there are so many corrections to be ignored, it's easy to forget some of them.

Not sure where the star constellations come in...
Funny, I am. The stars in the celestial sphere do not change their relative positions when moving from Earth to Moon.
@Vixen didn't know that.

The thing is, whilst sure, it could be 'faked' in retrospect, they'd need to calculate it in advance of the live broadcast, which could be full of pitfalls if the timing is delayed or forwarded.
The television camera used on Apollo 11, when adjusted for daylight exposure, could not register stars. As you are well aware, that is beyond the dynamic range of any camera.
@Vixen didn't know that.

It's a little unfair to say she was well aware of a fact she has been denying for eons. More likely, she simply ignored the dozens (or was it hundreds?) of attempts to educate her on the subject of photography.
 
Millions of Brits and Europeans are aware that the words "thousand" and "million" mean the same thing in the UK as in the Americas.

But @Vixen doesn't know that.
She does, and that's why we can hear hideous cackling coming from her direction, under that bridge over there ...
 
I'm not sure. It's possible a boffin could place them locationwise. Whilst Venus, Mercury and Mars (the red one) albeit hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of miles away from each other in reality, from our aspect on Earth, they can often be seen together, and sometimes Jupiter is bright enough, too. Not sure where the star constellations come in but then perhaps it could only tell us whether it's Southern or Northern hemisphere because obviously, they're used as fixed navigation points (e.g., the Southern Cross) so won't vary much at all.

The thing is, whilst sure, it could be 'faked' in retrospect, they'd need to calculate it in advance of the live broadcast, which could be full of pitfalls if the timing is delayed or forwarded.
Utter nonsense. Astronomers know with great precision exactly where every planet is going to be, even many years into the future. Pioneer 10 and 11 and Voyager 1 and 2, launched between 1972 and 1977, all made very precise rendezvous with planets years in the future. Again, just because you don't understand how something can be done, doesn't mean it can't be done.
 
The smart hoax advocates usually concede this one on the first pass. "We don't know where to put the stars, therefore we'll just leave them out and no one will miss them."

[Jay folds his arms and stares disapprovingly yet silently...]

"Oh, right, duh."


And it would have come as a big surprise to all the private manufacturers of planetarium instruments, including the people who made the lenses for the Apollo cameras.
Having once operated a Spitz 512 for a living, I get it.

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