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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

JayUtah said:
The ratio is irrelevant.


What does wind have to do with buoyancy?


The ratio is irrelevant for the reasons I gave, which you clearly cannot understand.

A man who weighs 180 pounds on Earth weighs 30 pounds on the Moon. That same man carrying a backpack that weighs 150 pounds on Earth would be carrying a backpack that weighs 25 pounds on the Moon. The combined weight of man and backpack on Earth is 330 pounds. The combined weight of the man and the backpack on the Moon is 55 pounds.

55 pounds is vastly less than 330 pounds.
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An Apollo astronaut weighing 180lbs carrying 180lbs on his back (ratio 1:1) on Earth, carries exactly that same ratio on the Moon, for the umpty-ninth time.
 
Vixen said:
Er, and so does a human being.
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Yes the person weighs less on the Moon. But the person doesn't become proportionally weaker by being in lesser gravity.

Vixen said:
An Apollo astronaut weighing 180lbs carrying 180lbs on his back (ratio 1:1) on Earth, carries exactly that same ratio on the Moon, for the umpty-ninth time.
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And as several of your betters have explained to you, that ratio doesn't matter for the question of how easy it is for that man to carry the load. The question is literally, is it easier to carry 330 pounds or 55 pounds? Your imposed notion of "ratio" is messing up what is the simplest problem in physics.
 
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Olmstead said:
That only affects the counterweight of the astronaut, which will have some effect on balance, but the equipment will still be much easier to carry than on Earth.
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No, that is not so. Why do you think it is?

It'll be interesting when the Chinese team do their Moon Walk, in the near future, and compare and contrast with Apollo 11. There is no reason AFAICS why they shouldn't walk pretty much as normal (bearing in mind the effects of their 250,000 mile journey to get there).

No Kubrick wires to hoist them up ;) *






*NB That was a joke!
 
JayUtah said:
Yes the person weighs less on the Moon. But the person doesn't become proportionally weaker by being in lesser gravity.


And as several of your betters have explained to you, that ratio doesn't matter for the question of how easy it is for that man to carry the load. The question is literally, is it easier to carry 330 pounds or 55 pounds? Your imposed notion of "ratio" is messing up what is the simplest problem in physics.
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Deep breath. If as a poster points out, a 180lb pack pack weights just 30lbs equivalent on the Moon. Then a chap of the same weight will also weigh 30lbs, ceteris paribus.
 
Vixen said:
EXACTLY. So if you were carrying YOUR weight on your back you'd naturally lean forward.
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This version of your question was also answered twice. The geometry of the problem does not change but the weight value does. The ratio is irrelevant because only one part of it applies to the tipping moment.
 
Vixen said:
No, that is not so. Why do you think it is?

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Because I generally don't use my weight to lift things, I use my muscles, which includes backpacks and astronaut suits. My weight only becomes important when I use it as a counterweight for balance, for example when swinging something. The equipment would change my center of gravity somewhat, so there would be some effect, but not in the way you seem to think.
 
Olmstead said:
Because I generally don't use my weight to lift things, I use my muscles, which includes backpacks and astronaut suits. My weight only becomes important when I use it as a counterweight for balance, for example when swinging something. The equipment would change my center of gravity somewhat, so there would be some effect, but not in the way you seem to think.
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We weren't talking about lifting or centre of gravity; just (a) how much you would theoretically weigh on the Moon and (b) your same weight as yourself backpack.

Or, imagine you are there with your identical weight chum.

You both are the still the same pro-rata weight on the Moon.

Anyway, never mind.
 
Vixen said:
We weren't talking about lifting or centre of gravity; just (a) how much you would theoretically weigh on the Moon and (b) your same weight as yourself backpack.

Or, imagine you are there with your identical weight chum.

You both are the still the same pro-rata weight on the Moon.

Anyway, never mind.
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If you aren't talking about counterweight, then you aren't making any sense.

I have a dumbell here. I lift it by only using the muscles of my arm. If I did the same on the moon, the dumbell would be much lighter. Do you agree with that?
 
Vixen said:
No, that is not so. Why do you think it is?

It'll be interesting when the Chinese team do their Moon Walk, in the near future, and compare and contrast with Apollo 11. There is no reason AFAICS why they shouldn't walk pretty much as normal (bearing in mind the effects of their 250,000 mile journey to get there).
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What, you think the Chinese are actually going to the Moon? How could that be possible, given all the objections you've raised?
 
Vixen said:
Err! Do the maths. The Moon's gravity is 1/6th of the Earth's. That also applies to you as well as your backpack.
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Jesus christ, the astronaut would weigh 30lbs and so would his backpack, for a grand total weight of about 60 lbs, but he still has the musculature to support 200 lbs with ease.

Do you not have the wit to understand that he has bone and muscles designed to carry much more weight, but that weight is not a factor on the moon, so it's like being disproportionately powerful? if the astronaut had grown up in the moon's gravity his musculoskeletal system would be no where near as relatively strong.
 
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