Why Are the Majority of Those in Hell the Poor and Oppressed Masses?

[Darat]

...or maybe narwhals.

No, definitely it was rhinoceros that were describe as having horse like bodys with a single horn, you can see how that ended up via the Chinese whispers of history with a horse with a single horn.

 

[Darat]

There is the problem.
If those who entered an NDE are experiencing the spiritual realm, then they have traveled outside the physical realm.
Their soul has temporarily left their physical body, yet they report seeing and hearing things. Courts be damned.

Evidence for this? I do find it interesting that you want us to accept evidence that if we did would prove Christianity is false.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

(Surah Az-Zukhruf, 43:54): "Thus he (Pharaoh) belittled his people, and they obeyed him. Indeed, they were a people defiantly disobedient."

Certain verses in the Quran state that in Hell, the "oppressed" (mustad'afun) will curse the "arrogant" (mustakbirun) who oppressed them in the world. This reveals a striking truth: In Hell, there are more poor and oppressed masses who obeyed without questioning than there are others. This is because these people, using their powerlessness merely as an excuse, bowed down to wrong and betrayed their own free will. Furthermore, evil people begin to suffer in this world as well; for this reason, the majority of hell-bound people live in poverty and oppression in this universe too...

(Surah An-Nisa, 4:97): When the angels take the lives of those who have wronged their own selves/nafs, they ask, "In what state were you?" They reply, "We were weak and oppressed (mustad'af) on earth." The angels say, "Was not Allah’s earth spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?" Their refuge is Hell; and what an evil destination.

(Surah Ibrahim, 14:21): They will all appear before Allah/God. The weak (the oppressed) will say to those who were arrogant, "Indeed, we were your followers; so can you avail us against anything of God's punishment?" They will say, "Had God guided us, we would have guided you. It is all the same for us whether we panic or are patient; there is no place of refuge for us."

Bad news for Muslims.
What does the Bible teach about the afterlife?

Revelation 7:9 NIV
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

I do find it interesting that you want us to accept evidence that if we did would prove Christianity is false.

How so? I think it does the opposite.
But then I believe in ultimate redemption, not a forever burning hell.

 

[Darat]

How so? I think it does the opposite.

It's very clearly stated in : 1 Corinthians 15:51-53

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."

But then I believe in ultimate redemption, not a forever burning hell.

Sorry - I thought you were a Christian I didn't realise that you don't believe in what says in the Bible and what Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible.

 

[Steve]

It's very clearly stated in : 1 Corinthians 15:51-53

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."


Sorry - I thought you were a Christian I didn't realise that you don't believe in what says in the Bible and what Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible.

That christian bible can be so inconvenient for them much of the time.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Sorry - I thought you were a Christian I didn't realise that you don't believe in what says in the Bible and what Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible.

I am a Christian, but I don't believe in a forever burning hell.

There are three doctrines of the final judgement.
All three are biblical and contradictory.
1) Damnationism
2) Annihilationism
3) Ultimate Redemption (universalism)

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge" by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96 German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor: "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

 

[sackett]

"To believe," in this solemn-sounding context, means "to regard something as true
in the absence of evidence." Once we start down that flight of steps, we can keep going endlessly.

And die of boredom.

 

[Mojo]

There is the problem.
If those who entered an NDE are experiencing the spiritual realm, then they have traveled outside the physical realm.
Their soul has temporarily left their physical body,^{[citation needed]} yet they report seeing and hearing things. Courts be damned.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Rusty Tyler said:
There is the problem.
If those who entered an NDE are experiencing the spiritual realm, then they have traveled outside the physical realm.
Their soul has temporarily left their physical body,[citation needed] yet they report seeing and hearing things. Courts be damned.

Evidence is clear enough.
They are clinically dead, yet report being out of body. In many cases observing doctors resuscitation efforts.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Doesn't that require making assumptions about the afterlife?
If there is an afterlife, there could be a hell.
Certainly plenty of candidates to inhabit it. - lol

That being said, I still don't believe in hell.
I think there will be a total reset. Back to Eden.

Various NDEs give eyewitness accounts of the afterlife.

NDEs aren't eyewitness accounts of anything. They are just a severely distressed brain offering garbled memories and fantasies.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Best thing about Eden? No Herberts allowed.


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Your post is the only good thing about that episode.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Rusty Tyler said:
There is the problem.
If those who entered an NDE are experiencing the spiritual realm, then they have traveled outside the physical realm.
Their soul has temporarily left their physical body,[citation needed] yet they report seeing and hearing things. Courts be damned.

Evidence is clear enough.
They are clinically dead, yet report being out of body. In many cases observing doctors resuscitation efforts.

They are not "clinically" dead, as if they were dead then resuscitation wouldn't work, what with them being dead.

This repeated misuse of the word "dead" is beyond annoying, especially when it is used to support spurious claims.

 

[Helen]

Rusty Tyler said:
There is the problem.
If those who entered an NDE are experiencing the spiritual realm, then they have traveled outside the physical realm.
Their soul has temporarily left their physical body,[citation needed] yet they report seeing and hearing things. Courts be damned.

Evidence is clear enough.
They are clinically dead, yet report being out of body. In many cases observing doctors resuscitation efforts.

Yes, they do report that, but there is no real evidence that it's true. The only thing we are absolutely certain about, is that all those who report NDEs did not die.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Amazing how some people can just gloss over the first third of the three letters acronym.

 

[Helen]

Clinically dead is often used to mean the cessation of blood circulation and breathing - you can still be resusicated. Brain death is not reversible, and afaik that is the point where you are considered dead enough for organ harvest/ burial. So dead dead...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Clinically dead is often used to mean the cessation of blood circulation and breathing - you can still be resusicated. Brain death is not reversible, and afaik that is the point where you are considered dead enough for organ harvest/ burial. So dead dead...

They're dead, but they're not dead dead, cos they're here.

 

[Helen]

NQDY would be better than NDE, if you ask me (not quite dead yet).

 

[P.J. Denyer]

NQDY would be better than NDE, if you ask me (not quite dead yet).

I raise you NQBDY!

 

[Helen]

I think I agree, ceter paribus, and mange tout.