Two cops shot dead in rural Australia

[Thermal]

Well spotted.

Are you a dowser?

 

[theprestige]

I'm assuming that the quotes indicate that this is not a serious question?

Serious question.

If this was a marksman taking a single shot, why shoot to kill? Is it really the case that Australian police are just taught to aim at center-mass and shoot as many times as they feel necessary?

Shooting a gun out of a person's hand is a hollywood myth.

Or is it?

 

[arthwollipot]

Serious question.

If this was a marksman taking a single shot, why shoot to kill? Is it really the case that Australian police are just taught to aim at center-mass and shoot as many times as they feel necessary?

What do you think?

 

[theprestige]

What do you think?

I already know what I think. I'd like to know what Aussies think, so I have a solid point of reference next time the topic gets raised.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I already know what I think. I'd like to know what Aussies think, so I have a solid point of reference next time the topic gets raised.

The Columbus incident was a stationary, seated target in broad daylight with the handgun still and in plain sight. The shot was from close up.

The subject of this thread was a moving target covered in a blanket, with a hidden, moving weapon, in dim morning light. He was emerging from a dark container. Because he had a rifle, not a handgun, the police were some distance away.

Very different scenarios.

 

[novaphile]

The Columbus incident was a stationary, seated target in broad daylight with the handgun still and in plain sight. The shot was from close up.

The subject of this thread was a moving target covered in a blanket, with a hidden, moving weapon, in dim morning light. He was emerging from a dark container. Because he had a rifle, not a handgun, the police were some distance away.

Very different scenarios.

Minor quibble, there was some discussion about Dizzy Freedumb waving a pistol around, and the TV news last night showed a pistol lying on the ground at the scene, along with commentary that it was the service pistol from one of the officers that he had previously killed.

I'm surprised at all the speculation about how he was able to get from A to B (roughly 100 km).

As a prepper, it would seem likely that he had access to an off road motorcycle or ATV, hidden somewhere nearby, allowing him to leave the area via fire trails or walking paths before the road blocks were set up. (And may have been easy to avoid road blocks by staying 'off road'.)

It will be interesting to see if there is evidence of a food cache at the container where he was hiding, or if evidence can be found for support from more of the SovCidiots in the area.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Minor quibble, there was some discussion about Dizzy Freedumb waving a pistol around, and the TV news last night showed a pistol lying on the ground at the scene, along with commentary that it was the service pistol from one of the officers that he had previously killed.

Last I saw reported, he was waving a rifle. But I can easily be corrected on that.

I'm surprised at all the speculation about how he was able to get from A to B (roughly 100 km).

As a prepper, it would seem likely that he had access to an off road motorcycle or ATV, hidden somewhere nearby, allowing him to leave the area via fire trails or walking paths before the road blocks were set up. (And may have been easy to avoid road blocks by staying 'off road'.)

That was my thought too. It is about 200 kms from Porepunkah to that location. There are firetrail routes in between. A trail bike would be the best, fastest solution. But it would also be noisy.

It will be interesting to see if there is evidence of a food cache at the container where he was hiding, or if evidence can be found for support from more of the SovCidiots in the area.

Yep.

 

[novaphile]

Last I saw reported, he was waving a rifle. But I can easily be corrected on that.

That was my thought too. It is about 200 kms from Porepunkah to that location. There are firetrail routes in between. A trail bike would be the best, fastest solution.
But it would also be noisy.
Yep.

I fully agree that it would be noisy, but in a rural environment, it may blend in.

The sound of ag bikes, chainsaws, etc. are really common in rural areas, and the sound carries a long way.

If I was a prepper, I'd have an electric motorbike, and solar panels to charge it.

Then I could silently navigate the landscape.

(NB. When I first bought my car, I was astonished that kangaroos etc. would regard it with curiosity, rather than making any attempt to run away.)

 

[arthwollipot]

I already know what I think. I'd like to know what Aussies think, so I have a solid point of reference next time the topic gets raised.

Yeah, but you see, I don't know what you think. Hence, my asking what you think. Do you think Australian police are trained to shoot at centre mass, or to go for the difficult marksman shots like virtuosos? What's standard training for police where you are?

 

[lionking]

Serious question.

If this was a marksman taking a single shot, why shoot to kill? Is it really the case that Australian police are just taught to aim at center-mass and shoot as many times as they feel necessary?


Or is it?

Is there a serious police force that doesn’t train officers to shoot at the centre mass when faced with an armed and dangerous offender? Because there isn’t in Australia. The whole idea of shooting in the leg or arm is stupid in the extreme. They are also trained to shoot until the threat is eliminated.

 

[theprestige]

Is there a serious police force that doesn’t train officers to shoot at the centre mass when faced with an armed and dangerous offender?

That's my question.

 

[Mojo]

I already know what I think.

I don't see any evidence of that.

 

[SteveAitch]

Is there a serious police force that doesn’t train officers to shoot at the centre mass when faced with an armed and dangerous offender? Because there isn’t in Australia. The whole idea of shooting in the leg or arm is stupid in the extreme. They are also trained to shoot until the threat is eliminated.

But if the miscreant is wearing a bullet-proof vest (or whatever they call them these days)? A head shot?

 

[rjh01]

But if the miscreant is wearing a bullet-proof vest (or whatever they call them these days)? A head shot?

In Australia that would be rare. It would be difficult for a police officer to detect a bullet proof vest. A shot to the head would be hard to achieve as it is a small agile target.

 

[SteveAitch]

In Australia that would be rare. It would be difficult for a police officer to detect a bullet proof vest. A shot to the head would be hard to achieve as it is a small agile target.

I suppose they could always issue the snipers with armour-piercing rounds by default.

Or just fire enough shots to knock the bad guy over so that therest of the crew could get at the badd-guy in relative safety.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I suppose they could always issue the snipers with armour-piercing rounds by default.

Or just fire enough shots to knock the bad guy over so that therest of the crew could get at the badd-guy in relative safety.

There's precedent!

 

[novaphile]

There's precedent!

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That's weird, I wonder why that picture shows him missing most of his armour?

(The Kelly gang wore long breast plates, shoulder guards and helmets, all fashioned from stolen plough shares.)

 

[arthwollipot]

And as I recall they weren't shot in an open field, either.

 

[Norman Alexander]

That's weird, I wonder why that picture shows him missing most of his armour?

(The Kelly gang wore long breast plates, shoulder guards and helmets, all fashioned from stolen plough shares.)

Look under his coat.

 

[Norman Alexander]

And as I recall they weren't shot in an open field, either.

Ned was captured in bushland adjacent to the Glenrowan hotel.

Ned Kelly’s last stand | Australia’s Defining Moments Digital Classroom | National Museum of Australia

On 28 June 1880 Victorian police captured bushranger Ned Kelly after a siege at the Glenrowan Inn. The other members of the Kelly Gang — Dan Kelly, Joseph Byrne and Steve Hart — were killed in the siege. The gang was wanted for the murders of three police officers at Stringybark Creek in 1878...

digital-classroom.nma.gov.au

Interestingly, Glenrowan is only 50 kms from Porepunkah, and the Kelly gang used to hide out in that area (Stringybark Creek).