Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

[Planigale]

How about not murdering infants? How about not raping captives? How about not lighting people on fire?

Hamas was not engaged in "resistance fighting". They were engaged in terrorism, attempted genocide, and war crimes. If you can't figure out that they were WAY past any reasonable line, there's no point in discussing any of this with you.

Which infants were murdered? Two infants died on 07/10, one probably killed by the IDF. 3,150 infants were killed in Gaza, 18 within the first 24 hours of life.

An Examination of Gaza’s Casualty Data and Its Reliability

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www.haaretz.com

The Israelis are documented to have raped Palestinian captives.

PCHR Documents Testimonies of Systematic Rape and Sexual Torture in Israeli Detention against Released Palestinian Detainees

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) documents one of the most heinous crimes that can be committed against human beings and their dignity in the modern era. In recent weeks, PCHR staff collected new testimonies from a number of Palestinian detainees from the Gaza Strip who were...

pchrgaza.org

Again I condemn the crimes of Hammas, including murder, abuse and kidnapping. Will you do the same for the crimes of the IDF?

 

[Planigale]

Of all the nitpicking, this takes the cake. Hezbollah is in charge of Lebanon. If Australia, for some reason, bombs another nation, am I not allowed to say “Australia attacked ……” or would you insist on “the Labor Party attacked…..”.

Hezbollah is not in charge of Lebanon, this is just ignorance.

 

[arthwollipot]

Truly amazing (and disappointing) that this actually has to be stated explicitly:

 

[lionking]

Hezbollah is not in charge of Lebanon, this is just ignorance.

And Iran is not a dictatorship.

Naturally you are wrong. Its forces outnumber any other military in Lebanon and it is in de facto control. But continue to delude yourself about the control terrorists have over middle eastern states.

 

[arthwollipot]

Seen online:

 

[Ziggurat]

The Israelis are documented to have raped Palestinian captives.

"Documented". Which means what, exactly? That an accusation was made, nothing more.

Why do you believe that? Never mind, I know why.

 

[lionking]

Seen online:

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Do you post things without thinking about it? What military adventurism was there in the Middle East before 9/11? Yes, there were sanctions against Iraq, and there were US bases in Saudi Arabia, but there were no wars or attacks on even the worst Islamic terrorists. Who is the “historian” who posted those words?

Al-Qaeda attacked America because the US supported Israel and to instil terror in the US.

This post of yours is so wrong it aught to be deleted.

 

[arthwollipot]

Way to not get the point, my dude.

 

[Ziggurat]

Al-Qaeda attacked America because the US supported Israel

No. They attacked America because American troops were being stationed in Saudi Arabia, with the permission of the Saudi government. Al Qaeda only really started talking about Israel later, as an afterthought.

 

[lionking]

Way to not get the point, my dude.

When you can only make points by posting fallacious comments, there is really no point to get.

 

[arthwollipot]

When you can only make points by posting fallacious comments, there is really no point to get.

Yes, I already said you failed to get the point. You don't need to double down.

 

[lionking]

Yes, I already said you failed to get the point. You don't need to double down.

The quote without the twin towers might have been arguable, with the twin towers the quote is utterly ridiculous.

 

[arthwollipot]

The quote without the twin towers might have been arguable, with the twin towers the quote is utterly ridiculous.

Why? Why does the addition of an image invalidate the quote?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Which infants were murdered? Two infants died on 07/10, one probably killed by the IDF. 3,150 infants were killed in Gaza, 18 within the first 24 hours of life.

An Examination of Gaza’s Casualty Data and Its Reliability

***

www.haaretz.com

The Israelis are documented to have raped Palestinian captives.

PCHR Documents Testimonies of Systematic Rape and Sexual Torture in Israeli Detention against Released Palestinian Detainees

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) documents one of the most heinous crimes that can be committed against human beings and their dignity in the modern era. In recent weeks, PCHR staff collected new testimonies from a number of Palestinian detainees from the Gaza Strip who were...

pchrgaza.org

Again I condemn the crimes of Hammas, including murder, abuse and kidnapping. Will you do the same for the crimes of the IDF?

Still getting strong trumpkin vibes from how you minimize/deny HAMAS atrocities for then to immediately follow through with a whataboutism about the terrible things Israel has done. Especially the part where you also claim you condemn HAMAS. Feels a lot like how certain users here will deny, deflect, and excuse every time Dump does anything, but also claim they totally don't support him and would never vote for him.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

IRA bomb attacks killed or wounded many civilians, including some children.
Were they a legitimate resistance force?

 

[Ziggurat]

IRA bomb attacks killed or wounded many civilians, including some children.
Were they a legitimate resistance force?

Nope.

 

[smartcooky]

what else is it but resistance fighting?
Seriously, where is the line?

Help me out here, I don't recall reading any stories in which the NLA, the Andartes, La Résistance, or even the German Resistance to Naziism were blowing up school buses and railway platforms full of passengers, gunning down women and children, setting fire to and beheading babies, or cutting off the breasts of women while they were still alive.

This must be an area of WW2 I haven't read about - I'd apppreciate some links to stories about this so I can get up to speed.

 

[smartcooky]

IRA bomb attacks killed or wounded many civilians, including some children.
Were they a legitimate resistance force?

No, they were a terrorist organization that behaved exactly like a terrorist organisation. There is no world in which the IRA would meet the definition of a freedom or resistance movement.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

And yet they were necessary to achieve Irish Independence.

Plenty of people would consider them an ugly but necessary form of resistance, justified by the ends

I think it's historically inaccurate to think that resistance can work if it's not violent. Successful removals of occupying powers from within always operated on a violent and a diplomatic angle simultaneously.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Let's keep in mind that Gazans tried peaceful protest for a long, long time, and Israeli snipers made it a competition of who could shoot out the most kneecaps of the protesters, including of women and children.
And the people in the West Bank have been terrorised and forced out of their homes exactly because they were not offering enough resistance.

As JFK said: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."