Split Thread DEI in the US

[theprestige]

don't they usually fly in teams and help each other out?

The honorable thing to do would be to concede the point, not try weasel out of it.

 

[dirtywick]

The honorable thing to do would be to concede the point, not try weasel out of it.

if a newly qualified pilot can't make difficult landings, they're not qualified for the job. they're not more or less qualified, they are or aren't qualified. which is exactly what i said.

when you give advice about how other people should interact with other posters, i often think listening to you would be a mistake, but thanks for the pro tip anyway

 

[theprestige]

if a newly qualified pilot can't make difficult landings, they're not qualified for the job.

Belay that strawman nonsense.

When you're in a plane facing a difficult landing, would you rather have the more experienced pilot?

 

[dirtywick]

are they both qualified? which is the better pilot?

 

[theprestige]

are they both qualified? which is the better pilot?

The honorable thing to do would be to concede the point, not try weasel out of it.

 

[dirtywick]

just humor me and answer the questions.

in this scenario in which i get to pick who i'd rather have land this plane i'm in that's crashing, are each of the two choices qualified, and which of the two is the better pilot?

 

[theprestige]

just humor me and answer the questions.

You mean I should do the one thing you refuse to do?

 

[dirtywick]

You mean I should do the one thing you refuse to do?

the thing is i don't think i have enough information to answer the question.

my assumption is that if a pilot is put in a position where they need to make difficult landings on their own, and this is where i think that newly qualified pilot thing might work a little better if the pilots were working together like i suggested earlier, that they'd be capable of doing it. whatever licensing and experience requirements those may be, idk a lot about piloting planes, you'd be qualified to do it. so i'm gonig to say we're looking at two pilots who are both capable of landing the plane. so i'm not sure, once you're both qualified, if having experience is the most useful determining factor in who's the better pilot. so, like, i guess i just have to ask the guy who's concocting this scenario. kind of where i'm at with it.

 

[Darat]

It does work. If you have actual evidence of racial or sex employment discrimination, you won't have a hard time getting a lawyer. Those lawsuits usually include attorneys fees. But, again, you need actual evidence.

I go for an interview with a company and I don't get the job, how do I get the evidence for why I didn't get the job?

 

[Darat]

American is probably the best there is. A person can go from rages to riches with hard work and brains. But the thing about meritocracy is that people are not equal in ability or self-discipline. So "inequality" will always exist. The Little Red Hen.

No one claims that everyone is equal at doing a job.

 

[Blank]

The entire point of using a staffing agency is that you can end an assignment instantly if someone is a risk. If you're keeping a "hazard" near expensive tools for a year and a half just to avoid a "ticketing show" or a hit to your recruitment bonus, there is something very wrong here.

Nope. There's all sorts of contractual oblications to the staffing company as well. Europe doesn't have at-will employement so the staffing company that signs a contract to supply a fixed worker for 18 months does have a say on the matter. If there was something like a "buy an hour of labor, with the vendor company handling all supervisory stuff" then it would be easy. This was not the case.

And about those nurses, you previously claimed the nurses were better at the job than the PhDs, but now you're claiming that higher degrees pan out more for this "speak English and have a pulse" production job.

How much experience you have with training and running a team? You will get a lot of people that are really really thick and training them is like trying to teach algebra to a cat.

Which is it? If your success rate with degrees is so much better, then the nurses should not have been your "really good" examples.

Why not? Do you have something against nurses and think that they are stupid? There were a few base degrees that worked well for our purposes and nurses was one of those, not many applied tho since most of them were busy at nursing jobs probably. Other good degrees were chemistry related and somewhat surprisingly mechanical degrees. PhDs were always a pretty solid bet though. Naturally we couldn't pick the best ones since we had the gender/race quotas to abide to so.

t sounds like you were not actually hiring employees at all, but skating by with contractors to cheap out on labor costs, and then complaining about "US brainrot" that actually found you better workers like those nurses.

Legislation here dictates that contractors are in all purposes the same as regular FTEs and yes DEI is a massive brainrot. You check out your identity when you stamp in. At work your identity is "corporate drone", corporate drones are genderless, raceless and a-political. Once you clock out, you can be whatever you feel like.

 

[jt512]

I go for an interview with a company and I don't get the job, how do I get the evidence for why I didn't get the job?

You observe that a less qualified minority got the job and you file a complaint with federal EEOC, which initiates a formal investigation.

 

[theprestige]

I go for an interview with a company and I don't get the job, how do I get the evidence for why I didn't get the job?

Some crimes, while quite real, leave behind little to no evidence. Lack of evidence does not justify convicting without evidence.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Some crimes, while quite real, leave behind little to no evidence. Lack of evidence does not justify convicting without evidence.

So how do you prevent such crimes? It appears that MAGA's "solution" to reduce wrongful discrimination in hiring practices "sue them, and hope you can find evidence." History has proven that it doesn't work.
So, other than the "no policy" policy, what policy does MAGA believe will work to reduce wrongful discrimination in hiring practices?

 

[d4m10n]

so, like, i guess i just have to ask the guy who's concocting this scenario.

You seem determined to avoid admitting that initial formal qualification doesn’t make one as good at the job as those who've been practicing the profession for years after attaining said qualification, but I'm not going to bother trying to make sense of this denialism any further.

 

[arthwollipot]

You seem determined to avoid admitting that initial formal qualification doesn’t make one as good at the job as those who've been practicing the profession for years after attaining said qualification, but I'm not going to bother trying to make sense of this denialism any further.

But that's irrelevant, because every person who's been practicing the profession for years was once a person who recently attained said qualification. Should they have been passed over for someone with years of experience when they had recently attained their qualification? How do you expect anyone to get years of experience if you apply that standard?

 

[theprestige]

So how do you prevent such crimes? It appears that MAGA's "solution" to reduce wrongful discrimination in hiring practices "sue them, and hope you can find evidence." History has proven that it doesn't work.
So, other than the "no policy" policy, what policy does MAGA believe will work to reduce wrongful discrimination in hiring practices?

You're asking the wrong question.

The question is, by what mechanism does a DEI policy work to reduce wrongful discrimination in hiring practices?

Take Nike, Inc., for example. When Nike claims to implement a DEI policy, what problem(s) do you think this global corporation is trying to solve?

 

[arthwollipot]

You're asking the wrong question.

The question is, by what mechanism does a DEI policy work to reduce wrongful discrimination in hiring practices?

Take Nike, Inc., for example. When Nike claims to implement a DEI policy, what problem(s) do you think this global corporation is trying to solve?

Those are two different questions.

The answer to the first is by opening up opportunities to qualified individuals who might not have had access to these opportunities before.

The answer to the second is obviously lack of representation of qualified minorities in the workforce.

 

[Planigale]

Here medical students are 44% male. No discrimination needed.

Not sure where here is, but this does represent a problem in the UK. If you then look at the males, certain groups are under represented, in particular white working class males and afro-caribbean males. This is a class issue. African males are over represented (an interesting phenomena that those of Black African ethnicity had the highest rate of university access whilst Black Afrocaribbean ethnicity had the lowest). The problem is that at least in part entry is judged on non-educational attainments that are harder for those from a poorer background to achieve.

 

[Darat]

Not sure where here is, but this does represent a problem in the UK. If you then look at the males, certain groups are under represented, in particular white working class males and afro-caribbean males. This is a class issue. African males are over represented (an interesting phenomena that those of Black African ethnicity had the highest rate of university access whilst Black Afrocaribbean ethnicity had the lowest). The problem is that at least in part entry is judged on non-educational attainments that are harder for those from a poorer background to achieve.

It's an interesting point to bring up with those that consider black folk to be less intelligent than white folk becuase they are black that in the UK the lowest performing segment in education are white, working class males, black working class males perform better.

And certainly in the UK what class you were born into will significantly affect your professional opportunities, folk like me from a working class background who reach a "high position" such as a director on the board of a publicly traded company are the exceptions.

I think this is relevant even in this discussion about DEI in the USA as that often seems to think it is only "race" that needs to be considered, but the USA also has other "helping hands" or "smacking hands" based on other factors then race.