Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

Andy_Ross said:
Ron Johnson [...] "what would probably happen is ..."
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Don't waste time criticising what your opponents actually do.
Make something up, and then criticise what you can imagine their doing.

So much more effective. In the minds of your supporters it's basically the same as their having done whatever thing you just made up, and you didn't even have to lie. You just offered an opinion.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Just one example, but this is the story MAGA seem to be repeating at the moment.

Mike Crispi
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So now we’ve learned that Alex Pretti was NOT a nurse and NOT a peaceful bystander.

He quit his job months ago to join an Antifa cell, and was involved in a violent confrontation with ICE a week or so prior.

This is why we should NEVER give an inch on these matters.

It’s the same story EVERY time once the facts come out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016242502702137636
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Andy_Ross said:
Virginia Project
@ProjectVirginia
The "caring nurse" narrative has cratered.

Reality: unemployed Communist terrorist whose wife divorced him and employer fired him because he was dangerously insane.
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There are plenty of propagandists ready, willing, and able to do the smear campaign.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Pro Trump or Pro Rights. You can't be both.

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Trump never cared about any rights beyond his own. He gives lip service (albeit it much) to 2A rights because it scores with his cultists, but he doesn't own a gun, nor should he, and not because he's a felon, but because he's likely to plug himself or others, accidentally or not.
 
Resume said:
There are plenty of propagandists ready, willing, and able to do the smear campaign.
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Yet they still can't explain why, after being disarmed, it was okay to shoot him as he lay face down in the street. From CBS News Minnesota:
Alex Pretti, the man fatally shot Saturday by Border Patrol officers, was a nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital, where he worked with the sickest of the sick in the ICU. And as his ICU co-workers grieve, so do his patients, like Marta Crownheart. "I had a real bad day and he sat in my room for a little over 20 minutes, holding my hand, talking to me, letting me know things were gonna be OK," Crownheart said. "He prayed with me and let me know I was gonna be OK."..."I think that hurts worse than anything, calling him a domestic terrorist. I think that hurt worse than anything," she said. CBS News article link
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Segnosaur said:
Would it have even been that unpopular before?

I believe that under (for example) Obama they concentrated on going after people who actually committed crimes. I think most Americans (even "left wing" americans) would think deporting someone who actually committed crimes is acceptable.

Its only under the current Trump reich that they have decided that simply hanging out at home depot or working in the fields is something worthy of deportation.
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True enough but before they went entirely off the rails they had become less popular as they have ramped up the deportations of non criminals. Here in Vermont, where there are a number of undocumented immigrants and the agricultural industry depends on many, there's not been much love for them for a while., but even under Trump it's taken a little time for them to become so hateful.
 
DUCKWORTH: If it's true that we are not at war with Venezuela, will you advise the president to rescind his invocation of the wartime Alien Enemies Act?

RUBIO: That was a mechanism to remove people from our country that present great danger

DUCKWORTH: It's a wartime act. Are we currently at war?

RUBIO: No

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016558776501862637
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Hmm. Is this a parody account? He couldn't just take 5 seconds to imagine how he'd feel about a US consulate in some other country being stormed by local government agents to grab an American citizen sheltering there.
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I doubt he's given any thought to how any of it works. It reminds me of the time years ago that my mother was watching some police procedural on TV and they used the old chestnut of a criminal having diplomatic immunity.
"That diplomatic immunity is a pain in the ass. We should get rid of it."
She thought it was something that the US exclusively offered to foreign diplomats on US soil. I had to explain to her that it also applies to US diplomats in other countries and is intended to prevent things like diplomats being arrested on trumped up (no pun intended) charges and tortured for state secrets.
 
I guess Trump demeaned another female reporter in an Iowa restaurant when asked about the corrupt administration's declaring Pretti a domestic terrorist. She was an ABC reporter and he did the fake news thing, saying she hasn't asked him a good questions in years to the cheers of maga scum. Now I understand this is just SOP for Trump, but for crissakes, shouldn't someone else, another reporter, intervened and asked the same question? Maybe defended her? Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ, when is enough going to be enough, when will the press get it through their heads that Trump is never going to love them? For ◊◊◊◊'s sake, grow a set. He's been doing this ◊◊◊◊ forever and he gets away with it because they let him.
 
So Republican Alabama Rep.Barry Moore held a town hall in Baldwin County where he was asked why immigrants aren’t getting due process & he said they aren’t allowed it & his constituents let him know he was full of crap & it’s a violation of the Constitution & he fled out the back

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016565573941956820
 
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Andy_Ross said:
So Republican Alabama Rep.Barry Moore held a town hall in Baldwin County where he was asked why immigrants aren’t getting due process & he said they aren’t allowed it & his constituents let him know he was full of crap & it’s a violation of the Constitution & he fled out the back
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Obviously a pack of paid agitators.
 
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