Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

It makes some sense, when you imagine the evolotion of ICE from what was probably once a fairly ordinary, if unpopular, service that a fairly ordinary person might find acceptable to do.
Would it have even been that unpopular before?

I believe that under (for example) Obama they concentrated on going after people who actually committed crimes. I think most Americans (even "left wing" americans) would think deporting someone who actually committed crimes is acceptable.

Its only under the current Trump reich that they have decided that simply hanging out at home depot or working in the fields is something worthy of deportation.
 
Stephen Miller
Working under the most adverse conditions imaginable, stalked, hunted, tailed, surveilled and viciously attacked by organized violent leftists every hour of the day, our heroic ICE officers selflessly defend our sovereignty and the lives of our people. True courage and devotion
The bit about sovereignty is pretty galling, since state sovereignty is now the most promising legal strategy for shutting down the surge altogether. Miller is just goading at this point. Rumor has it he got shut out of the meeting at the White House where they tried to figure out the next steps. Li'l Nosferatu might also be on thin...ice—not because he got two innocent people killed (Republicans don't care about that) but—wait for it!—because he made President look bad.

The Bondi letter is what did it, legally speaking. Normally a state sovereignty argument would be a hard sell in court against federal operations. This is especially true in the 8th Circuit, which is just behind the 5th Circuit for conservative craziness. You have to let federal officers operate to an effective degree. That's how federalism works. Therefore trying to tell a federal judge that federal officers don't belong in Minneapolis isn't going to fly.

But then along comes A.G. Pam Bondi who not only says the quiet part loud, but puts in writing and delivers it officially to the governor. You couldn't ask for any better evidence in court for the proposition that federal officers are not there to do their federal duties but to bully the state into complying with policy preferences. The specific things Bondi demanded in the letter were all things the Trump regime had asked for officially, but had been told by courts they were not entitled to have. That makes it worse, since they're obviously trying to get things they can't have by means they shouldn't be using. Normally you have to scrape away at tidbits to prove someone else's intent. Bondi handed it them on gold-leaf letterhead. She bumbled her way into making the best sovereignty argument in Minnesota's favor that one could hope for.
 
Would it have even been that unpopular before?

I believe that under (for example) Obama they concentrated on going after people who actually committed crimes. I think most Americans (even "left wing" americans) would think deporting someone who actually committed crimes is acceptable.

Its only under the current Trump reich that they have decided that simply hanging out at home depot or working in the fields is something worthy of deportation.
That's what I was thinking. Bureaucrats who find foreigners who overstayed on visas, or see to the deportation of foreign criminals after the law was finished with them, might not have been exactly folk heroes, but they wouldn't be villains either.

What seems to have turned people against them is the disconnect between the claimed role, of doing battle with deadly gangs of narco-terrorists who fill their days committing the most unspeakable crimes, and the reality which looks more like gangs of semi-trained thugs, given a quota of arrests to make to get their bonuses, and so scooping up any seeming foreigner who might add to the head count, even if they're immediately released.
 
Gunther Eagleman™
He’s launching a DATABASE on these insurrectionist clowns stalking & attacking ICE, full names, faces, the works and they’re gonna CONTACT THEIR EMPLOYERS!
Hm, we can't know the names of the officers who gunned down Alex Pretti because Doxxing = bad.

But we must know and publish the names of people who observer and speak out against the regime because, hmm, Doxxing = good.
 
The bit about sovereignty is pretty galling, since state sovereignty is now the most promising legal strategy for shutting down the surge altogether. Miller is just goading at this point. Rumor has it he got shut out of the meeting at the White House where they tried to figure out the next steps. Li'l Nosferatu might also be on thin...ice—not because he got two innocent people killed (Republicans don't care about that) but—wait for it!—because he made President look bad.

The Bondi letter is what did it, legally speaking. Normally a state sovereignty argument would be a hard sell in court against federal operations. This is especially true in the 8th Circuit, which is just behind the 5th Circuit for conservative craziness. You have to let federal officers operate to an effective degree. That's how federalism works. Therefore trying to tell a federal judge that federal officers don't belong in Minneapolis isn't going to fly.

But then along comes A.G. Pam Bondi who not only says the quiet part loud, but puts in writing and delivers it officially to the governor. You couldn't ask for any better evidence in court for the proposition that federal officers are not there to do their federal duties but to bully the state into complying with policy preferences. The specific things Bondi demanded in the letter were all things the Trump regime had asked for officially, but had been told by courts they were not entitled to have. That makes it worse, since they're obviously trying to get things they can't have by means they shouldn't be using. Normally you have to scrape away at tidbits to prove someone else's intent. Bondi handed it them on gold-leaf letterhead. She bumbled her way into making the best sovereignty argument in Minnesota's favor that one could hope for.
The best people
 
That isn't a no then.

VARNEY: Secretary Noem accused Alex Pretti of being a domestic terrorist. Is the administration standing by that language?

TRICIA McLAUGHLIN: So, initial statements were made after reports from CBP on the ground. It was a very chaotic scene. We know that our ICE law enforcement are facing rampant threats against them

VARNEY: Would you use that expression again?

McLAUGHLIN: I think we have to really have the investigation leading the way on this

 
Donald is not pleased.
Playing with fire?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Surprisingly, Mayor Jacob Frey just stated that, "Minneapolis does not, and will not, enforce Federal Immigration Laws." This is after having had a very good conversation with him. Could somebody in his inner sanctum please explain that this statement is a very serious violation of the Law, and that he is PLAYING WITH FIRE!
 
I believe that under (for example) Obama they concentrated on going after people who actually committed crimes. I think most Americans (even "left wing" americans) would think deporting someone who actually committed crimes is acceptable.
I'm certainly okay with that. We've found that a lot of Americans will look the other way if someone comes into the country illegally but then otherwise behaves themselves—gets educated or trained, works, contributes to the community, pays taxes, and (most importantly) doesn't make trouble. Bonus points if you comply with legal processes that keep tabs on you and guides you toward some more permanent status.

And yes, if you commit a serious crime while you're here, part of the punishment for that should be expulsion from the country. The "good behavior" requirement applies whether you're here with documents or not. Thence ICE in its original form. If you commit a crime and an immigration court determines that you have to go back where you came from, and issues a final order of removal to that effect, you can expect ICE to show up and collect you. None of this has so far seemed unreasonable until now.

Its only under the current Trump reich that they have decided that simply hanging out at home depot or working in the fields is something worthy of deportation.
It's not even what you do. It's simply what you are. You're here and you don't have white skin? You're out. The Trump regime (and, to be honest, a lot of Republicans before him) have convinced their base that undocumented immigrants are only here to live off our dole, commit crimes, and to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. They don't believe that undocumented people bring anything of value to our culture or our economy. But that's just a pretext to their belief that the blessings of America are for white people only. You don't seem them deporting the white South African illegals, do you?
 
Ron Johnson on Ilhan Omar getting attacked: "Let's talk about how crazy this is. Had that been a Republican member of Congress and an illegal immigrant spraying something at them, in Minneapolis what would probably happen is they would release that illegal immigrant."


Ah yes. Getting upset about something that hasn't happened and wouldn't happen.
 
TRICIA McLAUGHLIN: So, initial statements were made after reports from CBP on the ground. It was a very chaotic scene. We know that our ICE law enforcement are facing rampant threats against them.
So far only the threat of being observed and denied the right to operate in secret, after which officers can just make up a story for whatever happened. Chaos is nothing new to experienced public safety officers. That experience is how they know to be careful when making "initial statements." It's quite okay to say things like, "We don't know anything about the victim yet." It's the fact that they reach for the Domestic Terrorist label as a default knee-jerk reaction that makes this so uncomfortable for them now.

As I said before, this used to work pretty well. People just believed whatever police and prosecutors said because they're "honorable public servants who do a hard job against great opposition." It has been only recently that independent evidence-gathering has been able to put a dent in police coverup.

McLAUGHLIN: I think we have to really have the investigation leading the way on this
But the problem is that the wrong people are being investigated. Proximally what happened is that an ICE agent shot and killed a person who did not engage him. In a normal world, it's that officer who would be pulled aside and made to wait while his actions were investigated. Did he have a reasonable fear for his life? Did he respond proportionally to the threat? And so forth.

Instead the Trump regime does the same old victim-blaming tap dance it always does. They have to show that the victim was somehow unworthy of continuing to live.
 
Donald is not pleased.
Of course not, because someone threw cold water on his victory lap. Pres. Trump wanted the world to believe he himself—personally, The Donald—negotiated a solution to an otherwise intractable problem and brought the local governments of Minnesota to heel. He wanted to celebrate the restoration of law and order to war-torn Minneapolis under his expert leadership. But the facts haven't changed.

Donald J. Trump
Could somebody in his inner sanctum please explain that this statement is a very serious violation of the Law, and that he is PLAYING WITH FIRE!
I would suggest that someone in Donald Trump's inner circle should explain the Anti-Commandeering clause to him, but I don't think anyone in Trump's inner circle knows or cares about the Constitution.
 
Instead the Trump regime does the same old victim-blaming tap dance it always does. They have to show that the victim was somehow unworthy of continuing to live.


Which of course wouldn't affect the fact that he could have been the US head of ISIS, and he still shouldn't have been shot except in very specific circumstances like preventing an imminent terrorist attack.

But he wasn't.
 
Just one example, but this is the story MAGA seem to be repeating at the moment.

Mike Crispi
@MikeCrispi
So now we’ve learned that Alex Pretti was NOT a nurse and NOT a peaceful bystander.

He quit his job months ago to join an Antifa cell, and was involved in a violent confrontation with ICE a week or so prior.

This is why we should NEVER give an inch on these matters.

It’s the same story EVERY time once the facts come out.

 
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So far only the threat of being observed and denied the right to operate in secret, after which officers can just make up a story for whatever happened. Chaos is nothing new to experienced public safety officers. That experience is how they know to be careful when making "initial statements." It's quite okay to say things like, "We don't know anything about the victim yet." It's the fact that they reach for the Domestic Terrorist label as a default knee-jerk reaction that makes this so uncomfortable for them now.

As I said before, this used to work pretty well. People just believed whatever police and prosecutors said because they're "honorable public servants who do a hard job against great opposition." It has been only recently that independent evidence-gathering has been able to put a dent in police coverup.


But the problem is that the wrong people are being investigated. Proximally what happened is that an ICE agent shot and killed a person who did not engage him. In a normal world, it's that officer who would be pulled aside and made to wait while his actions were investigated. Did he have a reasonable fear for his life? Did he respond proportionally to the threat? And so forth.

Instead the Trump regime does the same old victim-blaming tap dance it always does. They have to show that the victim was somehow unworthy of continuing to live.
The highlighted in the only investigation the corrupt administration is interested in. Some of the masked cowards agents allegedly wore bodycams; if there were any footage exonerating them, it would be all over the place by now. If is shows up, say two weeks from now, you can bet it's altered in some way. They've already trial-ballooned this with arrest photo of Nekima Armstrong, so there's precedent. We cannot. and should not, trust a single word coming from any of the administration's mouthpieces regarding this shooting; Lievitt, et al, term this presidency as the most transparent in history, but the only tranparency is the volume of lies.
 
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