Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
It's quite the spectacle to watch two people so utterly and irrationally convinced of their own beliefs and so firmly convinced of the other's error. I almost want to invoke Billy Baxter to come make this a three-cornered fight.
But all seriousness aside, this is why it's important to keep framing secular life as an absence of religion and not a religion of absence. We impose the same standard of proof on everyone and if no one makes the cut then they all fail. It's not that hard a concept. No jinns, no karma angels, no magic beings at all—just evidence and reason. It's a shame that so many people can't see that as the obvious common denominator.
I've over the years come to view that as evidence that religionists have no grasp at all of atheism, non-religionism or how ever you want to term it, and as a litmus test for whether it is possible to have any kind of discussion on these topics with someone. As soon as I hear certain phrases I know they cannot be taken seriously.