Why Are the Majority of Those in Hell the Poor and Oppressed Masses?

[Carrot Flower King]

It's quite the spectacle to watch two people so utterly and irrationally convinced of their own beliefs and so firmly convinced of the other's error. I almost want to invoke Billy Baxter to come make this a three-cornered fight.

But all seriousness aside, this is why it's important to keep framing secular life as an absence of religion and not a religion of absence. We impose the same standard of proof on everyone and if no one makes the cut then they all fail. It's not that hard a concept. No jinns, no karma angels, no magic beings at all—just evidence and reason. It's a shame that so many people can't see that as the obvious common denominator.

I've over the years come to view that as evidence that religionists have no grasp at all of atheism, non-religionism or how ever you want to term it, and as a litmus test for whether it is possible to have any kind of discussion on these topics with someone. As soon as I hear certain phrases I know they cannot be taken seriously.

 

[ahhell]

To take a ridiculous question seriously (there is no hell) if there were a hell, well the vast majority of people for the vast majority of human existence have been poor, so naturally they outnumber the rich people.

 

[arthwollipot]

No jinns, no karma angels, no magic beings at all—just evidence and reason.

No intestinal wank-monkeys.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I've over the years come to view that as evidence that religionists have no grasp at all of atheism, non-religionism or how ever you want to term it, and as a litmus test for whether it is possible to have any kind of discussion on these topics with someone. As soon as I hear certain phrases I know they cannot be taken seriously.

I find I can sympathize with their issues. Even if they're trying their best to be rational, it's a big jump from what they consider accepted fact to what you do.

Like, imagine you're chatting with someone and they casually mention that birds aren't real. I mean, dinosaurs still hanging around and we just don't care? Really? You argue with them, they challenge you to produce one. You look out the window. No birds. You go online and there's plenty of bird pictures and stuff, but real life? No birds. Not a one. Nowhere. The zoo DOES have an avian section, but the birds aren't out today, they're probably asleep and no they won't wake one up for you. Everything is otherwise normal, there just aren't any damn birds anymore, or ever if your friend is right. How long do you think it'll take you before you can even grasp that, holy ◊◊◊◊, maybe birds aren't real?

 

[Scorpion]

Hello Scorpion; in reality, paradise and hell exist, but souls do not. What you call Spiritualism is the modern-day version of paganism. It is a terrible trap. As you can see, the Jinn continue to make you writhe and make you forgetful. You have been badly deceived. Let me share the video again where I explain the true face of Spiritualism:

On the subject of hell, I knew as soon as I read the horrible hell verses in the unholy Quran that it was not a message from God.

Take verse 4.56 as an example. "Lo! those who disbelieve our revelations. We shall expose them to the fire. As often as their skins are consumed we shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever mighty, wise."

Verse 2.161 says the curse of Allah and of angels and men combined is on disbelievers and 2.162 says They ever dwell therein. The doom will not be lightened for them, neither will they be reprieved.

So according to the unholy Quran all you have to do to have your skin burnt off for all eternity is to disbelieve in Muhammad's rantings.

Your God is a sadistic , merciless monster.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

In the debate I had with Mazhar here, I explain—with evidence—that Paradise is eternal, whereas Hell is finite:

My Two New Notes on the Universe of the Hereafter

(with machine translation) My Two New Notes on the Universe of the Hereafter It is emphasized in the verses that, unlike those in Hell, those in paradise wil...

forum.free-minds.org

In this article of mine, I also explain the manifestations of pagan spiritualism in Christianity:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monotheist_Muslims/comments/1ph4b9p/manifestations_of_spiritualism_in_christianity

 

[Scorpion]

In the debate I had with Mazhar here, I explain—with evidence—that Paradise is eternal, whereas Hell is finite:

My Two New Notes on the Universe of the Hereafter

(with machine translation) My Two New Notes on the Universe of the Hereafter It is emphasized in the verses that, unlike those in Hell, those in paradise wil...

forum.free-minds.org

In this article of mine, I also explain the manifestations of pagan spiritualism in Christianity:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monotheist_Muslims/comments/1ph4b9p/manifestations_of_spiritualism_in_christianity

It seems you have a different Quran to me because mine clearly states hell is forever.

Quran surah 4.168 " Lo! those who disbelieve and deal in wrong. Allah will never forgive them, neither will he guide them unto a road.
4.169 Except the road of hell, wherein they will abide forever. And that is ever easy for Allah.

 

[Scorpion]

Here are more Quran verses that say hell is forever. 2.257 and 4.93 and 41.28

 

[Scorpion]

Emre, I use two main translations of the Quran. The M.M. Pickthall which I got free from Saudi Arabia, and which is recommend by them.
Also the Yusuf Ali translation. And they both say the same thing at verse 4.169 . They both say hell is forever.

 

[novaphile]

I find I can sympathize with their issues. Even if they're trying their best to be rational, it's a big jump from what they consider accepted fact to what you do.

Like, imagine you're chatting with someone and they casually mention that birds aren't real. I mean, dinosaurs still hanging around and we just don't care? Really? You argue with them, they challenge you to produce one. You look out the window. No birds. You go online and there's plenty of bird pictures and stuff, but real life? No birds. Not a one. Nowhere. The zoo DOES have an avian section, but the birds aren't out today, they're probably asleep and no they won't wake one up for you. Everything is otherwise normal, there just aren't any damn birds anymore, or ever if your friend is right. How long do you think it'll take you before you can even grasp that, holy ◊◊◊◊, maybe birds aren't real?

Where the ◊◊◊◊ do you live where there aren't hundreds or possibly even thousands of birds outside 24 hours per day?

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Where the ◊◊◊◊ do you live where there aren't hundreds or possibly even thousands of birds outside 24 hours per day?

I was referencing the birds aren't real meme. Use turtles instead if that works better for you.

 

[8enotto]

The birds are fake CT is a paranoid big brother thing.
I explored this rabbit hole by accident.

Birds are actually drones of a sort that carry cameras or mics and perch near you spying for big brother (whom never is fully identified as any particular agency) or something.

Why, idiots carry personal phones by choice that give up your location, habits, likes and dislikes, product preferences and banking information. And buy more intrusive devices every year by choice.
I live out in the semirural area with 6 different types of herds of birds daily. They feast off our trees and lawn.
And my cat apparently can eat spy drones.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Did someone ask why hell is Turkish yet?

 

[junkshop]

Did someone ask why hell is Turkish yet?

That would be a silly question. Everything is Turkish.

To query the Turkishness of a thing would be as foolish as to query the wetness of water, which is Turkish (as is wetness, and foolishness, and querying).

To question the Turkishness of a thing is simultaneously the most and least Turkish thing possible, but since being the most Turkish and being the least Turkish are both Turkish, all is Turkish.

It's Turkcepeption, baby*.


^{*babies are also Turkish, obviously. As are footnotes, and silly questions.}

 

[Mojo]

Emre, I use two main translations of the Quran. The M.M. Pickthall which I got free from Saudi Arabia, and which is recommend by them.
Also the Yusuf Ali translation. And they both say the same thing at verse 4.169 . They both say hell is forever.

Not just for Christmas?

 

[Thermal]

I think I'm gonna print up Birds Aren't Turkish t-shirts and retire early.

 

[8enotto]

But, are Turks real?

 

[Mojo]

But, are Turks real?

And if real, are they Turkish?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It's more about the fight in the dogma than the dogma in the fight.

The Tale is wagging the Dogma.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

No intestinal wank-monkeys.

Dude! Spoiler Warning!