Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

Something big is building.

Stephen Miller: "With the thousands of officers that we have now in response to the incredible threats and violence in Minnesota, there's within that an opportunity to interdict large numbers of these insurrectionists and then use them to gain insight into these networks and deliver criminal consequences."

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Andy_Ross said:
Something big is building.

Stephen Miller: "With the thousands of officers that we have now in response to the incredible threats and violence in Minnesota, there's within that an opportunity to interdict large numbers of these insurrectionists and then use them to gain insight into these networks and deliver criminal consequences."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011880323974340954
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In other words, you're going to deny citizens of their rights to assemble, protest and redress their grievances against govt actors. And you will do it by abducting and incarcerating citizens, beating them, and as we see, killing them.

Nosferatu, you are scum, as is your corrupt administration.
 
If we're going to be talking Insurrection Act, we should get to talk Insurrection. What's everybody thinking?

The classic balkanization scenario is Pacifica on the west coast, New England on the east, and Jesusland in the middle. Those hold pretty well, with the United Atlantic States stretching down to VA or even Raleigh maybe, but what happens to Minnesota then? Would Canada annex them? Could they group up with Wisconsin, Michigan and northern Illinois to make a Great Lakes Alliance?

I figure it'll be over as soon as Mango Mussolini realizes he gets to name a whole country after himself and make Mar a Lago the official New White House, to be rented to himself in perpetuity.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
We could probably benefit from less emotive language, such as saying Good "floored it" when the video evidence shows she actually backed up, steered away and then drove away under control.
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We could probably also benefit from people refraining from jokes about ICE performing summary executions while summarily dismissing the objective legal questions that would help people understand the case better. But I know that's a pipe dream.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Stephen Miller: "With the thousands of officers that we have now in response to the incredible threats and violence in Minnesota, there's within that an opportunity to interdict..."
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That's not ICE's mandate.

Andy_Ross said:
"...large numbers of these insurrectionists and then use them to gain insight into these networks and deliver criminal consequences."
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Political dissent is not criminal.
 
Andy_Ross said:
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
@ICEgov
The buck stops with you, Governor.
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No, it was DHS's decision to deploy federal agents without any provocation. There is no reason to suppose that ICE will back down when its demands are met.

Andy_Ross said:
Tone down the hostile, inflammatory anti-ICE rhetoric.
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A completely normal and expected reaction to an invading force of federal agents who have specifically disavowed any need to respect local laws or authority.

Andy_Ross said:
Honor our immigration detainers.
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No obligation to do so exists under the U.S. Constitution. The federal government is responsible for enforcing its own laws and may not commandeer local authorities to do so. Threatening continued paramilitary presence and harassing the civilian population as retribution for not acquiescing to commandeering is tyranny.

Andy_Ross said:
And work with ICE to remove criminal illegal aliens from MN streets.
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DHS presents no evidence that Minnesota is failing to do this. What Minnesota is objecting to is the intimidation and surveillance activities not connected with ICE's civil enforcement mission.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Something big is building...
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I am truly scared as to how this is going to play out. We have a total maniac in charge of the federal government and he's surrounded himself with spineless butt-kissers.

As someone said at work today, "If this is what it's like in the middle of winter, imagine what next summer is going to be like."
 
Andy_Ross said:
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
@ICEgov
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Honor our immigration detainers.
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I just overheard a constitutional law professor say that DHS may have stepped in it. If DHS is conditioning withdrawal of federal officers on Minnesota entering into a 287(g) agreement or something substantially similar, then it becomes colorable that ICE's presence in Minnesota is not intended as a law enforcement action but rather to coerce Minnesota into enacting a policy preference that is squarely within Minnesota's sovereign powers and federal autonomy under the 10th Amendment. Not only does this greatly aid Minnesota's newly filed lawsuit against DHS, it spells out a hazard for officer Ross in the matter of the recent shooting. Since surveillance of protesters is not in ICE's remit—even if there is the belief that such protesters are "terrorists"—actions ostensibly colorable as harassment of people not suspected of violating immigration law can now be further colorable as having an impermissible motive under the Constitution. Ross may just have been cooked by his boss.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The Regime is definitely using ICE for more than immigration and customers enforcement. They are the new Gestapo.
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Courts are not as dumb as the Trump regime seems to think. Courts thoroughly understand when parties try to justify a coercive response to circumstances they created. You don't get to complain that you're justified in an aggressive approach to disapproval over your aggressive approach. But the Trump regime will simply ignore courts until it can get the matter before the Supreme Court where the Republican supermajority will just invent yet another doctrine that amounts to Pres. Trump gets to do whatever he wants.
 
JayUtah said:
... Ross may just have been cooked by his boss.
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It will be hard to feel any pity for his plight if so. Wherever he is right now I'm sure he realises the law will eventually catch up with him, even though a current crop of politicians feel the need to pretend he's in the clear.

If I follow what was being posited, not only was what he was doing at the time of the shooting really not his job, but the entire ICE deployment into Minnesota was not done with the intention of fulfilling ICE's job. So he has a much weakened chance of any defence that he was faithfully carrying out his duties.
 
JayUtah said:
Courts are not as dumb as the Trump regime seems to think. Courts thoroughly understand when parties try to justify a coercive response to circumstances they created. You don't get to complain that you're justified in an aggressive approach to disapproval over your aggressive approach. But the Trump regime will simply ignore courts until it can get the matter before the Supreme Court where the Republican supermajority will just invent yet another doctrine that amounts to Pres. Trump gets to do whatever he wants.
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so the courts aren't dumb just crooked
 
it's funny they sent a bunch of southern proud boys to minnesota in january to run around and chase people

and it's been another mild winter btw. this is polar vortex season, look at all that grass
 
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