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Trump's Second Term

You are quite correct. So why can't Europe defend itself?

Now apply that logic to Europe. Why aren't they doing more to support Ukraine? Why don't they give Ukraine the weapons and money necessary to win? As you pointed out, Europe has the economic muscle to dominate Russia, if it should choose to do so. Why aren't they?
Except that they ARE. I have no idea why you continue with this lie that they haven't increased military spending. That is actually one thing that almost all Americans did actually agree with Trump on. Yes. Europe should have been spending more on their militaries than they have in the past. And even the European governments themselves have agreed with that as well. Which is why they have increased their spending on their militaries by several percentage points of GDP.

As a matter of fact, the fact that they haven't spent as much on their militaries in the past as the US has per capita, is actually a good thing. As I've said in that long post, investment is a good thing. Europe spent a lot of their time and resources building their economic base up for all of those decades post-WWII. Now, here in the mid-2020s, that has borne fruit. (As a matter of fact, the phrase "borne fruit" is a great analogy, and one that the Bible even uses at least once. A farmer expends his personal energy plowing in early spring, planting in early summer, and harvesting in the fall. He "reaps what he sows," as the return on that expended energy is a hell of a lot more energy he and his family can consume and even sell at market at a profit!)

Europe is a superpower unto itself. As a supra-national organization, Europe has 6 carriers (that includes 2 British carriers). China only has 3, with a fourth under construction. China has over a billion in population. Europe: 400 million. China has nearly 3 TIMES the population of Europe and a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ more natural resources. And yet, Europe by itself can project more power than China can. And this doesn't even include the 11 carriers the United States has by itself.

Why talk about carriers? Because it shows force projection. Obviously, number of carriers itself doesn't tell the entire story. But it is a vital marker to use to show the manufacturing capabilities of nations and supra-nations. The ability to bring a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ of resources, labor, and infrastructure to bear in order to build massive platforms of firepower that can be floated to any point in the world. As well as all of the support vessels and equipment to surround these floating fortresses in a bubble of protection.

Furthermore, the fact that Europe has always had civilian factories churning out cars and other products, makes it particularly easy to retool those factories and churn out military vehicles and ammunition instead. The United States famously did that during WWII. Europe has also invested VERY heavily in alternate sources of transportation, rather than rely solely on superhighways. Unlike here in the States where the extreme right wing MAGA-cult has increasingly been critical of investing in such infrastructure. Not even into our highways, never mind proposing the construction of more railway! Taxation, especially of the super wealthy where 95% of the entire nation's private wealth lies, is completely out of the question, and they are even demanding MORE tax cuts for these people, even as they cry about the amount of debt that's been piling up! It's absolute madness!

But yes. In the end, Europe HAS been supplying Ukraine. But that dopesn't mean they can take up the slack of the United States pulling out in supplying Ukraine. Obviously, when you subtract something from a hole, you will ALWAYS have less of that something. Like a pie. Even if the United States only provided 25% of the total equipment sent to Ukraine, that still 25% less that would be received and used against a dangerous rogue terror state like Russia. If you've played any Paradox games like Europa Universalis, when the city-state of Ulm sends a measly single regiment of 1,000 troops to attach to your main army, that's still 1,000 more troops than you otherwise would have had. And if Ulm decides to withdraw those 1,000 troops from your arm, that's now 1,000 fewer troops that you now have and you can't replace them.. Like:

Europe and the USA combined have nearly 3 quarters of a BILLION in population. If you subtract the 350 million Americans from that equation, Europe cannot just magically pull 350,000,000 more people out of their rear-ends. When you combine what Europe produces with what the United States produces, it will ALWAYS be more than what Europe produces alone, or what the USA produces alone. That's literally how basic math works, and we learn that when we are, like, 3 years old.
 
I guess it's switcheroo season.

USA is getting Greenland
Russia is getting Ukraine and Alaska
China is getting Taiwan
Israel is getting Gaza

Anyone else in the mood for switching or giving land to other countries?
Come on, don't be shy. It's now or never!
It's becoming like a major league sports league. Everyone just swapping players.
 
Except that they ARE. I have no idea why you continue with this lie that they haven't increased military spending.
Now you are lying. I never said they haven't increased spending. I said Trump pushed for increased spending, starting in his first term. Which he did. And which wasn't in Putin's interest. The reality of the situation does not comport with the claim that Trump was a Putin puppet.
But yes. In the end, Europe HAS been supplying Ukraine. But that dopesn't mean they can take up the slack of the United States pulling out in supplying Ukraine.
Why can't they? They're more than a match for Russia, you said so yourself, they should be able to overwhelm Russian power all on their own. Instead, Europe is paying Russia more money than they are giving Ukraine.

You can't simultaneously brag about your power and whine about your needs. Pick a lane.
 
Those restrictions were lifted during the first Trump administration, before the 2022 invasion. And Javelins absolutely were used on the front line, to rather dramatic effect.

They were lifted eventually, yes. Doesn't change the point made, which ends up with your argument being much, much weaker than you pretend, because you're pointedly ignoring a lot of things that are very relevant and that indicate much the opposite of what you're trying to push.

Compare that to Obama who refused to give Ukraine any weapons at all.

I don't think that yet another rehash is needed about the circumstances at hand. Still, that you're very pointedly ignoring so much of relevance that undermines or outright opposes the narrative that you're trying to push with this is just yet another reason not to take you seriously.

But then, to poke back at the bigger picture for just a moment, you sure are triggered easily by the pokes at how subservient Trump has been to Putin so very much of the time. Not all the time and not in every way, sure, but waaaay too much for a reasonable, informed person to ignore. He's not Putin's slave, after all. Putin also isn't the only one he panders to. What he could do to support Putin was restricted in ways that you like to pretend actually means that Trump wanted to do things that he was effectively forced to do, either way.

Now you are lying. I never said they haven't increased spending. I said Trump pushed for increased spending, starting in his first term. Which he did. And which wasn't in Putin's interest. The reality of the situation does not comport with the claim that Trump was a Putin puppet.

It's still delusional to try to spin his actions like that. That was Trump working to undermine NATO and his stated reasons were falsehoods, which means that he was absolutely doing what Putin wanted. That was Trump both undermining NATO and undermining US industry at the same time, yet you still try to spin that as not being what Putin wanted?
 
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They were lifted eventually, yes. Doesn't change the point made, which ends up with your argument being much, much weaker than you pretend, because you're pointedly ignoring a lot of things that are very relevant and that indicate much the opposite of what you're trying to push.
This is exactly what YOU are doing. Anything that Trump does that's against Russia's interests, you ignore.

As for what I'm pushing, all I'm pushing is that Trump isn't Putin's lackey. I'm not arguing that he's the most anti-Russian president we've had (I agree he's not), I'm not arguing that his Russia policies are optimal (they aren't), and I'm not arguing that there's nothing to criticize about them. But there's an actual conspiracy theory being advanced on this thread that he's under Putin's control, and it's just wrong.
 
Now you are lying. I never said they haven't increased spending. I said Trump pushed for increased spending, starting in his first term. Which he did. And which wasn't in Putin's interest. The reality of the situation does not comport with the claim that Trump was a Putin puppet.

Why can't they? They're more than a match for Russia, you said so yourself, they should be able to overwhelm Russian power all on their own. Instead, Europe is paying Russia more money than they are giving Ukraine.

You can't simultaneously brag about your power and whine about your needs. Pick a lane.
I think you need to ask a 5 year old this question. I spent an exorbitant number of words describing to you how basic mathematics works. How addition and subtraction works. Even a 5-year-old understands that if you have 2 of something and take away 1, you are left with 1. And taking away that one doesn't magically supply it with 1 more.

If I fill a measuring cup up to 2 cups. Pour out half a cup. I am left with 1 1/2 cups.

If you have a river flowing with 30,000 gallons of water per second, take away 15,000 gallons of water per second, you are left with a river that is half the size. Even if you add another 2,000 gallons per second back into the flow of the river from a different source, you are STILL 15,000 gallons less than you would otherwise be.

Just like with my Ulm example in EU4. If you have 10,000 troops, and your ally Ulm decides not to support your war with their 1,000 men, you are down 1,000 men than you would otherwise be. You would be down to 9,000. Even if you raised another 3,000 men yourself up to 12,000, you are still 1,000 less than it would be if Ulm kept their 1,000 men there. You'd have 12k instead of 13k.

When the US withdraws support, it is virtually impossible to just magically get the support back to where it WOULD be if the US did NOT withdraw their support. This is true if any other country withdrew their support. If Australia withdrew their support, it would impossible for the United States to make up for that withdrawal, as it would always be less than it would otherwise be.

If You have $1,000 in the bank. You purchase $25 worth of groceries, that $25 is gone. Forever. Even if you deposit $50 back into your account, you would only be at $1,025, instead of the full $1,050 that you would be at if you didn't withdraw that $25 from your account.

I've given you 5 examples in this post about how math works and why.
 

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