The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
  • If they were manual EPIRB's they do not need a hydrostatic release mechanism.
  • SOLAS regulations say ALL ships must have an automatic float free EPIRB
  • Nowhere does JAIC say M/S Estonia was not compliant with regard to EPIRB's.
  • We know the EPIRB's on M/V Estonia were compliant with the hydrostatic automatic regulations because there is a clear still of a Rockwater diver holding the Hammar release mechanism.
  • A manual one does not need a hydrostatic release mechanism, you simply chuck it in the water.
  • A manual one does not need to be fitted on each side of the bridge where it hits the water; it would be within arm's length.
  • End of.
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Every single one of these bullet points is wrong. Even the last one, which we all desperately hope could be true...
 
malbui said:
* raises a hand *

I'm a chartered accountant but I don't claim to know anything about anything except accounting, the arcane details of the subject of my PhD thesis, cricket and ice hockey. And I'm pretty dodgy on most of those.
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Of course no offense intended to you or any actual accountants. What I take away from my accounting department is their incredible ability to remember and locate obscure bits of business minutiae on command. That makes it strange that one self-proclaimed accountant has so much difficulty remembering and acting on details. Hence I conclude there must be something about that additional triple-niner status that erases that ability.
 
JayUtah said:
Are all accountants this incompetent or only the triple-niners?

It's post #6320 in this thread.
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I'll come back to it after I've had my sauna and supper. Thinking back on my career, I have to say working with fellow accountants has been the best time ever in terms of great fun, a terrific sense of humour and a brilliant time all round. Competent? They're the sharpest guys you could ever meet.
 
Vixen said:
28 Jn 1995

www.hs.fi

Estonian hätäpoijuista oli unohtunut viritys

Autolautta Estonian kaksi hätäpoijua eivät lähettäneet signaalia pelastajille, koska niitä ei ollut viritetty laivalla. Hätäpoijut pulpahtivat pinnalle asianmukaisesti laivan upotessa.
www.hs.fi www.hs.fi
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Where did you get your translation to English?

Google translate gives the headline and opening of the story as:
Estonia's emergency buoys had been left unarmed

The two emergency buoys on the car ferry Estonia did not send a signal to rescuers because they had not been armed on board. The emergency buoys floated to the surface properly when the ship sank.

The International Commission of Inquiry into the disaster has investigated the operation of the emergency buoys that washed up on the Estonian coast. The buoys' batteries were fully charged, but they could not send anything if they were unarmed, says Commission member Kari Lehtola.
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Rather than your version of the same text:
Estonian emergency buoys were a forgotten tuning The two emergency buoys of the car ferry Estonia did not send a signal to the rescuers because they had not been tuned on board. Emergency buoys burst to the surface properly as the ship sank. Turma's International Commission of Inquiry has investigated the activities of the emergency buoys that drifted off the Estonian coast. The buoys' batteries were fully charged, but they could not send anything untuned, says Commissioner Kari Lehtola.
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Mojo said:
Where did you get your translation to English?

Google translate gives the headline and opening of the story as:


Rather than your version of the same text:
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As a Finnish speaker, I understood

viritys​

is an electrical term, which relates to a current. Please do a search as this has been discussed before.
 
Vixen said:
As a Finnish speaker, I understood

viritys​

is an electrical term, which relates to a current. Please do a search as this has been discussed before.
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We all remember the previous discussion. "An electrical term that relates to current" has bugger all to do with adjusting the frequency on an RF device, which is what "tune" means in that context. "Arm" is a far more accurate description of how the device is actually known to operate, since "arming" an electrical device means to make electrical current available to it. You have the cart before the horse. You're trying to insist that an object must behave in a certain way simply because of how you've chosen to translate a term that relates to it, without knowing how the object actually works. You're not a very good translator. Accurate translation is about to become a problem you'll need to deal with.
 
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JayUtah said:
Of course no offense intended to you or any actual accountants. What I take away from my accounting department is their incredible ability to remember and locate obscure bits of business minutiae on command. That makes it strange that one self-proclaimed accountant has so much difficulty remembering and acting on details. Hence I conclude there must be something about that additional triple-niner status that erases that ability.
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Oh, no offence taken at all. If there's one thing you learn working for the Big Four, as I did, it's that you stay in your lane. This is why they have technical offices for IFRS and the different GAAPs, actuaries, contract lawyers, international lawyers, asset valuation experts, no end of specialists. If you've understood anything, it's that you stick to your field of competence and even then look things up to be on the safe side.

Like you, I'm baffled that anybody who's been through that can think differently.
 
malbui said:
This is why they have ... no end of specialists. If you've understood anything, it's that you stick to your field of competence and even then look things up to be on the safe side.
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A concept I'm very familiar with. Occasionally we have had to work on classified projects, which means we need accountants with special experience (and clearance) in managing classified projects. Just because the general public can't see what you do doesn't mean you aren't accountable and that there aren't rules to follow.

malbui said:
Like you, I'm baffled that anybody who's been through that can think differently.
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It's almost like there's no actual accounting training or experience there. Hm.

The Common Potato said:
Interesting thing about accountants is that, from personal experience, they all have same surname, in my experience.
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The head of my accounting department is a gentleman named Grimme. I have to confess that I'm always on the lookout for candidates with names like Cratchitt or Scrooge or Marley.
 
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