Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

As if anyone understands this post.

Darat and I disagree. So what? He's entitled to his opinion.

I'll simplify it for you:

You describe the findings of the BBFC / porn taskforce as:
1. nonsense propaganda by conservatives who want to tell the rest of us how to live.
2. crusading politicians and have no personal first hand familiarity with the subject.
3. a joke
4. liars
5. prudes

Darat describes the porn (adults role-playing as children) the BBFC / porn taskforce decry in a similar way - abhorrent ....and that there no good reason for making pornography for adults that blurs the line between porn and child abuse....

I am connecting the dots. You think Darat is spouting nonsense propaganda, wants to tell the rest of us how to live, is on a crusade, has no personal first hand familiarity with the subject, a joke, a liar and a prude.

I'll say this about his posts. At least he isn't constantly gish galloping and gaslighting.

Unsubstantiated.

 

[Poem]

So? They are also not backing you.

Some will be regarding violent and role-playing porn.

The point was your blatant hypocrisy. Protecting the children. Surely you're not serious.

I have no idea what this means. You are the one choosing porn over a church sermon.

 

[3point14]

I'm willing to bet 100% (or as near as makes no difference) of people who have watched mainstream action movies, horror movies and lots of other categories of movies have watched physical violence and non consensual activity.

Are we banning that?

 

[Poem]

I'm willing to bet 100% (or as near as makes no difference) of people who have watched mainstream action movies, horror movies and lots of other categories of movies have watched physical violence and non consensual activity.

Are we banning that?

You are happy with people masturbating to what looks like and old guy sexually abusing an underage girl?

 

[3point14]

You are happy with people masturbating to what looks like and old guy sexually abusing an underage girl?

That's not an answer to my question. If you want to have a proper debate, at least try to address the content of the post you've quoted please?

And please, don't now attack me for not answering your question when you've not answered mine.

 

[Poem]

That's not an answer to my question. If you want to have a proper debate, at least try to address the content of the post you've quoted please?

And please, don't now attack me for not answering your question when you've not answered mine.

You are not comparing like with like. Movies that glorify violence are severely criticised.

 

[3point14]

You are not comparing like with like. Movies that glorify violence are severely criticised.

But not banned.

Maybe they should be?

For me, well regulated, consensual pronography featuring informed persons over the age of majority is a better thing than whatever will pop up if all pornography were banned and therefore not regulated.

I think the prevalance of violence in entertainment media, while news channels are literally not allowed to show the actual results of violence in war (or 'police action') zones is a greater problem.

YMMV

 

[Poem]

But not banned.

Content is banned.

Maybe they should be?

For me, well regulated, consensual pronography featuring informed persons over the age of majority is a better thing than whatever will pop up if all pornography were banned and therefore not regulated.

And I asked if you were happy with what I described?

I think the prevalance of violence in entertainment media, while news channels are literally not allowed to show the actual results of violence in war (or 'police action') zones is a greater problem.

YMMV

Probably because the viewer (most anyway) is aware of the reality of the actual violence in real life news rather than the fake in movies.

 

[Poem]

Memory jog:
The Guardian (June 2025):
When the Conservative peer Gabby Bertin arrived for a meeting with the the science and technology secretary, Peter Kyle, earlier this year she startled him by laying out an array of pornographic images across his desk. “They were screengrabs showing little girls, their hair in bunches, and massive, grown men grabbing little girls’ throats,” she says. She had selected images which appeared to depict child abuse, and yet were easily and legally available on a popular website.

 

[acbytesla]

Some will be regarding violent and role-playing porn.

I have no idea what this means. You are the one choosing porn over a church sermon.

So? Wake me when they actually do anything as opposed to using that rhetoric to fund raise for their next vacation.

 

[Poem]

So? Wake me when they actually do anything as opposed to using that rhetoric to fund raise for their next vacation.

I asked you what this meant:

The point was your blatant hypocrisy. Protecting the children. Surely you're not serious.

What hypocrisy? The context was the hypothetical scenario - church or porn for kids if forced.

I am serious about protecting children, but you elected for the porn and you swerved the test question. And before you express irritation at my question - you are the one that repeatedly avers that Christianity is worse than porn (contextually regarding kids).

Seriously, what planet are you on?

 

[acbytesla]

I asked you what this meant:

What hypocrisy? The context was the hypothetical scenario - church or porn for kids if forced.

I am serious about protecting children, but you elected for the porn and you swerved the test question. And before you express irritation at my question - you are the one that repeatedly avers that Christianity is worse than porn (contextually regarding kids).

Seriously, what planet are you on?

This planet.

I'll repeat what I said as opposed to your gaslighting strawman. The Bible is more damaging and far worse than any pornography that I have ever seen. Period, it is more violent and disgusting than any porn I have ever seen. If Poem is actually interested in protecting children as he claims why doesn't he start with that?

 

[Poem]

This planet.

I'll repeat what I said as opposed to your gaslighting strawman. The Bible is more damaging and far worse than any pornography that I have ever seen. Period, it is more violent and disgusting than any porn I have ever seen. If Poem is actually interested in protecting children as he claims why doesn't he start with that?

No, you are pretty much on your own there. Last time I looked, nobody in the West bans kids from listening to Christian sermons. That's because they, in general, consider such harmless.

You swerved #4,481. Is Darat a liar, a joke, a prude, a crusader etc for wanting to ban the porn the BBFC / porn taskforce want (effectively) banned? You are the one freely employing inflammatory language and cynicism. If someone wants to ban porn you have decided the worst about them.

 

[Poem]

Apparently, choosing a church sermon over porn for kids is hypocrisy.

 

[Poem]

Asking for affirmations that the following is a red line humanity should never have crossed:

The Guardian (June 2025):
When the Conservative peer Gabby Bertin arrived for a meeting with the the science and technology secretary, Peter Kyle, earlier this year she startled him by laying out an array of pornographic images across his desk. “They were screengrabs showing little girls, their hair in bunches, and massive, grown men grabbing little girls’ throats,” she says. She had selected images which appeared to depict child abuse, and yet were easily and legally available on a popular website.

 

[Lithrael]

(...) there no good reason for making pornography for adults that blurs the line between porn and child abuse....

I am connecting the dots. You think Darat is (...)

I think a big chunk of the cross-communication there is that in several opinions, stuff like the "Bonnie Blue 'classroom' orgy" that you & the porn scolders you quote repeatedly cited earlier in the thread as disgusting porn implying underage sex, simply does not actually blur that line. It isn't the sort of thing I'd want to try to get rid of. You're now describing 'little girls' in stuff and if it really looks like that then yes that is the sort of thing I'd understand wanting to get rid of.

 

[Myriad]

Apparently, choosing a church sermon over porn for kids is hypocrisy.

The assumption that church sermons are harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever. You just have to look at the various social and legal penalties enacted throughout history for the crime of preaching or listening to a church sermon of a religion other than the predominant local one.

Here's a fine example from the Bible: "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."
Deuteronomy 13:6-10

 

[Lithrael]

Last time I looked, nobody in the West bans kids from listening to Christian sermons.

There are plenty of religious adherents that absolutely do not want their kids going to a Christian sermon, and a lot of Christians who don't want their kids going to a Christian sermon at the wrong church.

And that's before you even get into the branches that are so obviously culty that other Christians start saying they're not even Christian, art of the big guy at the front be damned.

Not to mention the various groups that liked the religion (and culture) they already had, thank you very much, and have had to deal with missionaries and proselytisers taking their kids to 'save' them.

 

[Lithrael]

The very accusations you are making about the BBFC and the porn taskforce and their bias can be made about porn advocates.

If you want me to respond you'll have to spell out exactly what accusations you mean. My guessing will just go up a blind alley. Like, the last clear statememt I made was that it's hard work to design a survey that gets you data that's reliable enough to do anything with. Where's MY inaccurate survey? All I've done in here is plonk down a couple of anecdotes, 'five minutes to check' type stuff.

Like, sure, my impression of the Bonnie Blue 'classroom' Orgy not featuring any performers who actually look underage could be misleading or wrong. Is it?

 

[Poem]

The assumption that church sermons are harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever. You just have to look at the various social and legal penalties enacted throughout history for the crime of preaching or listening to a church sermon of a religion other than the predominant local one.

Here's a fine example from the Bible: "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."
Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Don't mistake my post as a defence of Christianity. The context of the discussion was acbytesla's response to a hypothetical #4,063. Nobody is showing porn to kids if the alternative is a Christian sermon....unless they have lost their minds to porn sex of course.