Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

Using Poem's definition, I look at Porn everyday. You know, anything that is sexually arousing. I guess I'm addicted.

Exactly. I guess I'm addicted to watching American football, eating chocolate, and lasagna too. All of which I've done many times since the last time I viewed porn. Addiction suggests there is physical withdrawal. Not simply that people like and indulge their likes.

 

[Lithrael]

In a particularly ironic twist, one could say I'm addicted to cold oat breakfast cereal. Kellogg would be so disappointed.

 

[acbytesla]

In a particularly ironic twist, one could say I'm addicted to cold oat breakfast cereal. Kellogg would be so disappointed.

Not cooked at all? What are you, a horse?

 

[Lithrael]

Well, it's cooked, but you let it get cold again before you eat it, so you don't get hot blooded and want to *stage whisper*

 

[acbytesla]

Well, it's cooked, but you let it get cold again before you eat it, so you don't get hot blooded and want to *stage whisper*

I hope you add something to it like, maple syrup, honey, cinnamon, raisins, bananas or some other fruit. Otherwise it seems pretty boring.

 

[Lithrael]

Yeah it gets raisins and walnuts. That's probably where I'm going wrong. Sorry Mr. Kellogg.

 

[arthwollipot]

As for violence, that almost certainly would be an impression some might have of BDSM.

Only people who have no direct knowledge of BDSM, and who think Fifty Shades of Grey is an accurate depiction.

How much thought went into that response? Is it possible to use a negative amount of cogitation?

It doesn't require much thought to know that what you are saying is false.

 

[acbytesla]

Only people who have no direct knowledge of BDSM, and who think Fifty Shades of Grey is an accurate depiction.

It doesn't require much thought to know that what you are saying is false.

I haven't read 50 Shades of Gray. I only know it was popular among women and it was somewhat about BDSM. I have no idea about it's accuracy. I do know that people that are serious BDSM participants talk in great detail with each other about their desires, fantasies and limits. That they employ safe words that either pause or end sessions. Consent and boundaries are taken very seriously.

 

[Lithrael]

Yeah, 50 Shades got a lot of big side-eye for being a textbook example of a very, very ◊◊◊◊◊◊ dom and a sub who gets into the relationship with zero relevant knowledge or experience and so can't recognise his bad behaviour. It's fine as a Sexy Fictional Fantasy but you'd neeeeever want to emulate this stuff the way it goes down in the book. It's pretty much a 'power tripping guy' and 'he's abusive but exciting and I don't want to lose him so I'll let him do whatever no matter how ◊◊◊◊◊◊ it makes me feel' relationship rather than a dom/sub relationship.

 

[arthwollipot]

I haven't read 50 Shades of Gray. I only know it was popular among women and it was somewhat about BDSM. I have no idea about it's accuracy. I do know that people that are serious BDSM participants talk in great detail with each other about their desires, fantasies and limits. That they employ safe words that either pause or end sessions. Consent and boundaries are taken very seriously.

I know people who are both serious BDSM practitioners and who read 50 Shades, and let me tell you their opinion of that book was extremely poor. One called it "dangerous". It doesn't depict safe and consensual BDSM play, it depicts emotional and physical abuse.

If you want to be banning things, @Poem, you'd do worse than starting there.

Not that you should be banning things, especially books. Nobody who bans books is ever on the good guys' side.

 

[acbytesla]

I know people who are both serious BDSM practitioners and who read 50 Shades, and let me tell you their opinion of that book was extremely poor. One called it "dangerous". It doesn't depict safe and consensual BDSM play, it depicts emotional and physical abuse.

If you want to be banning things, @Poem, you'd do worse than starting there.

Not that you should be banning things, especially books. Nobody who bans books is ever on the good guys' side.

I know I am a heretic to them. But the Bible is more sick and twisted than the very worst pornography. Unlike pornography or BDSM, the Bible is said to be true. (Not that it is.)

It is violent, homicidal and hideous. The God of the Bible orders indiscriminate killings, rape, torture, dismemberment and more. And it does this countless times throughout. It does this to adults as well as children. So when Poem goes on and on about protecting the children, I recommend we start with the Bible.

 

[Poem]

Do you distinguish these views of yours (regarding the BBFC, Bertin and the porn taskforce etc about content that features adults role-playing as children):

And since you don't and won't, you just repeat nonsense propaganda by conservatives who want to tell the rest of us how to live. No thanks. We're just fine.

The point is your repeating the nonsense propaganda by some crusading politicians and have no personal first hand familiarity with the subject. In other words, you're repeating the lies of liars. The so called porn taskforce is a joke. A bunch of conservatives lying.

Over and over and over you keep repeating propaganda crap by crusading prudes. They call it research. They are lying.

from the following:

....There is no good reason for making pornography for adults that blurs the line between pornography and child abuse....

The current situation is that the porn that was described in your quotation is illegal, it is prosecuted when cases can be made, people go to prison. I can't think how clearer as a society we can be that we find such porn not only wrong but abhorrent.

?

 

[Poem]

You appear to be forgetting that material that intentionally portrays adults as children is already banned offline in the UK. The BBFC already bans this stuff on DVD etc. It is not a crusade. It is merely bring the outlaws into line.

No, it doesn't.

Still no evidence from you.

 

[Poem]

Nah, I'm on a similar page as AC; I click away from videos where things look disrespectful but because I'm not interested I don't get enough information to know if I've just walked in on a healthy scene or if it's really just a cheap video with a director that wanted to see some slapping and actors who don't mind performing that way. I assume some of the latter exists cause I am aware of the existence of people who like that stuff and I assume someone is making content to make them happy.

That in no way demonstrates that you are on a similar page.

 

[Poem]

I know people who are both serious BDSM practitioners and who read 50 Shades, and let me tell you their opinion of that book was extremely poor. One called it "dangerous". It doesn't depict safe and consensual BDSM play, it depicts emotional and physical abuse.

If you want to be banning things, @Poem, you'd do worse than starting there.

Ok.

Not that you should be banning things, especially books. Nobody who bans books is ever on the good guys' side.

There are exceptions.

How about replying to: #4,412

 

[Poem]

Yeah, 50 Shades got a lot of big side-eye for being a textbook example of a very, very ◊◊◊◊◊◊ dom and a sub who gets into the relationship with zero relevant knowledge or experience and so can't recognise his bad behaviour. It's fine as a Sexy Fictional Fantasy but you'd neeeeever want to emulate this stuff the way it goes down in the book. It's pretty much a 'power tripping guy' and 'he's abusive but exciting and I don't want to lose him so I'll let him do whatever no matter how ◊◊◊◊◊◊ it makes me feel' relationship rather than a dom/sub relationship.

So the transgressive is mainstream.

 

[Poem]

I'm having difficulty parsing this as a question.

The very accusations you are making about the BBFC and the porn taskforce and their bias can be made about porn advocates.

 

[Poem]

I know I am a heretic to them. But the Bible is more sick and twisted than the very worst pornography. Unlike pornography or BDSM, the Bible is said to be true. (Not that it is.)

It is violent, homicidal and hideous. The God of the Bible orders indiscriminate killings, rape, torture, dismemberment and more. And it does this countless times throughout. It does this to adults as well as children. So when Poem goes on and on about protecting the children, I recommend we start with the Bible.

We could test your resolve on this since you keep bringing it up: consider the previous Church or porn for the kids hypothetical scenario, but this time your are in the UK and will face prison for showing them the porn.

Why do most countries not send you to prison for going to Church?

Nobody is backing you here.

 

[acbytesla]

Do you distinguish these views of yours (regarding the BBFC, Bertin and the porn taskforce etc about content that features adults role-playing as children):



from the following:


?

As if anyone understands this post.

Darat and I disagree. So what? He's entitled to his opinion. I'll say this about his posts. At least he isn't constantly gish galloping and gaslighting.

 

[acbytesla]

We could test your resolve on this since you keep bringing it up: consider the previous Church or porn for the kids hypothetical scenario, but this time your are in the UK and will face prison for showing them the porn.

Why do most countries not send you to prison for going to Church?

Nobody is backing you here.

So? They are also not backing you. The point was your blatant hypocrisy. Protecting the children. Surely you're not serious.