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Split Thread BBC news reporting

smartcooky said:
See @Lithrael ? THIS^ is the type of bull-◊◊◊◊ I'm talking about.

NO attempt to understand.
NO honest debate
NO discussion
Just prejudgement and character assassination of the people

Just as I expected, from one of the usual far-left suspects - dismissal without effort.
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Sigh. You really don't like it when I, or anyone, points out the holes in your parroted right-wing propaganda. It's not "character assassination" to point out the dubious history of your "sources".

And no, I do not plan to waste forty minutes of my life, which I can fill with vastly more interesting and amusing activities, listening to Toby Young's rehashed bollocks. If you, or Leng, or any of her hangers' on, wish to summarise her (sigh) arguments in a few bullet points, preferably with actual supporting evidence, I might well read them. Otherwise neither you, nor her, are worth wasting my time upon.
 
catsmate said:
Sigh. You really don't like it when I, or anyone, points out the holes in your parroted right-wing propaganda. It's not "character assassination" to point out the dubious history of your "sources".
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No, I really don't like it when far-lefties like you refuse to debate honestly, or address the issues, and instead choose to attack the sources because you don't like them, and because they don't parrot the left-wing talking points you have been indoctrinated with in your left-wing echo chamber.

catsmate said:
And no, I do not plan to waste forty minutes of my life, which I can fill with vastly more interesting and amusing activities,
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And I wouldn't want to you to waste your time trying to listen and understand something you're clearly not open to. It would be like showing the menu from a Steakhouse Restaurant to a Vegan.... nothing there you're going to like... you're a lost cause IMO.

catsmate said:
listening to Toby Young's rehashed bollocks. If you, or Leng, or any of her hangers' on, wish to summarise her (sigh) arguments in a few bullet points, preferably with actual supporting evidence, I might well read them. Otherwise neither you, nor her, are worth wasting my time upon.
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Translation: None of the content is likely to comport with your far-left worldview, so you don't want to allow any possibility that your worldview might be confronted with its obvious flaws.
 
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smartcooky said:
No, I really don't like it when far-lefties like you refuse to debate honestly, or address the issues, and instead choose to attack the sources because you don't like them, and because they don't parrot the left-wing talking points you have been indoctrinated with in your left-wing echo chamber.
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So I'm "far left"?
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Maybe you should provide evidence for the claims you parrot so blindly?
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smartcooky said:
And I wouldn't want to you to waste your time trying to listen and understand something you're clearly not open to. It would be like showing the menu from a Steakhouse Restaurant to a Vegan.... nothing there you're going to like... you're a lost cause IMO.
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You expect others to waste their time rather than post evidence for your claims then?
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smartcooky said:
Translation: None of the content is likely to comport with your far-left worldview, so you don't want to allow any possibility that your worldview might be confronted with its obvious flaws.
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So you're too lazy to do the work of summarising a right-wing forty minute video but want others to waste their time wading through it?
:rolleyes:
 
catsmate said:
A pithy but accurate summary.

Remember him during COVID? Advocating letting thousands die to save businesses? Or the 'transphobic toddler' story he pushed? Or the "parent or guardian" story?
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Remember what killed his political career, being a speaker at multiple neo-nazi eugenics conferences.

Yes, that's the kind of person that smartcooky gets his "information" from.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Remember what killed his political career, being a speaker at multiple neo-nazi eugenics conferences.
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Hmmm you know usually, technically, pointing out someone is a nazi sympathiser would be an ad-hom but I'm thinking that how the nazis treated Hirschfeld and his work might bring it back up to being a relevant point.
 
Some of the last few posts here show precisely what I find annoying about the left. There is no nuance with the left. There is no room for individuals to agree with different aspects of an issue if they are at variance with leftist dogma. If you are a member of the left tribe, you are not allowed ANY dissent from the Laws of the Tribe.. dissent in the tiniest amount, and you are instantly a right wing, racist, bigoted, tranny-bashing thug.

Take the example of the Free Speech Union and Toby Young. The man himself is an arse - an anti-vaxxer, anti-lockdown & vax mandates, a supporter of eugnenics, and he's definitely well into the right wing. But that doesn't mean he's automatically wrong on everything, and just because I agree with him on ONE THING does not mean I support his opinions on everything else he spouts.... and that is the problem I have with the left. Because I agree with the take of some of the members of the organizations he created, you all accuse me of agreeing with everything Jones believes.

I am environmentalist by nature, believe climate change is a real thing, that racial equality and harmony are desirable, and are the cornerstones of a just society, that every person should be entitled to a living wage, that health care and dental care should be 100% taxpayer funded. All of these things are pillars of The Left - that I firmly beleive in all of these things is clearly apparent to anyone who knows me, and anyone who bothered to look back at my posting record here going back 28,000+ posts and 13 years. However...

Because I have questions about bias in BBC reporting, then in the eyes of the left, that makes me a far right thug and Nazi sympathizer. How very dare I question the BBC's impartiality?

Because I support the the concept of safe spaces for women, then in the eyes of the left, that makes me a bigoted, tranny-bashing TERF. How very dare I question the the Holy Cult of Transgender Ideology?

I have dared to question the premise of one single aspect of leftist dogma - and that makes me an outcast. And that is what is wrong with the left!
 
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smartcooky said:
Because I have questions about bias in BBC reporting, then in the eyes of the left, that makes me a far right thug and Nazi sympathizer.
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It wasn't you having questions about bias in BBC reporting that got us talking about Nazi sympathisers. That happened when you asked us to listen to somebody who was platformed by a Nazi sympathiser.

Has anyone in fact said you are a far right thug and Nazi sympathizer, or have they just said they're not interested in watching a video that you basically very rudely dared them to watch, because they have, in their opinions, decent reasons to mistrust the source?

Are there no brave bastions of 'both sides' that don't get so brave that they're also willing to get people relitigating issues like 'what if some groups of people really DON'T deserve to live?'

Does anyone here think of you as an outcast? As opposed to someone who's feeling quite shirty and getting a bit rude over something that is, for you, a hot button issue?
 
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Lithrael said:
It wasn't you having questions about bias in BBC reporting that got us talking about Nazi sympathisers. That happened when you asked us to listen to somebody who was platformed by a Nazi sympathiser.
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Thanks... you just made my point perfectly.

It doesn't matter who platforms who.. only the truth matters. Are the allegations true or untrue? That is the question that needs answering. The answer is the only thing that matters.

This quote from Carl Sagan is about science, but it applies equally well to social issues....

The worst aspect of the Velikovsky affair is not that his hypotheses were wrong or in contradiction to firmly established facts, but that some who called themselves scientists attempted to suppress Velikovsky’s work. Science is generated by and devoted to free inquiry: the idea that any hypothesis, no matter how strange, deserves to be considered on its merits. The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion and politics, but it is not the path to knowledge; it has no place in the endeavor of science.

The message matters, who the messenger is, is irrelevant!

Lithrael said:
Has anyone in fact said you are a far right thug and Nazi sympathizer
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Its clear this is what some people here are thinking.

Lithrael said:
or have they just said they're not interested in watching a video that you basically very rudely dared them to watch, because they have, in their opinions, decent reasons to mistrust the source?
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Irrelevant to the post you are replying to.

Lithrael said:
Are there no brave bastions of 'both sides' that don't get so brave that they're also willing to get people relitigating issues like 'what if some groups of people really DON'T deserve to live?'
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Irrelevant to the post you are replying to.

Lithrael said:
Does anyone here think of you as an outcast?
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Its how I'm being treated.

Lithrael said:
As opposed to someone who's feeling quite shirty and getting a bit rude over something that is, for you, a hot button issue?
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Shirty?

Whether an issue is "hot button" to me or to anyone else is irrelevant. Truth is truth, no matter who speaks it or why.
 
smartcooky said:
Take the example of the Free Speech Union and Toby Young. The man himself is an arse - an anti-vaxxer, anti-lockdown & vax mandates, a supporter of eugnenics, and he's definitely well into the right wing. But that doesn't mean he's automatically wrong on everything, and just because I agree with him on ONE THING does not mean I support his opinions on everything else he spouts.... and that is the problem I have with the left. Because I agree with the take of some of the members of the organizations he created, you all accuse me of agreeing with everything Jones believes.
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I don't see ANYONE suggesting you believe everything he believes. All I see is people not willing to give a story he's giving air, the time of day. And of course Nazi douchebags can also be correct about things unrelated to Nazi douchebaggery, but that absolutely does not mean that if you encounter a few people who do not want to take time out of their day to watch a video a Nazi supports, you get to attack them and spin a whole story about how they are terrible people who want to ostracise you.

Well, I mean, obviously you do get to, but people will think you're being rude.

How often is it the case, not just that a Nazi is correct on some point, but that nobody else besides a Nazi is also correct on the same point, so that we might see what the argument looks like when it's not being made by a Nazi?

I would indeed sideye anyone who wants to talk about, idk, tectonic subduction, but the only link they have is hosted on PragerU and when I say I don't want to watch that, they call me a ◊◊◊◊ lib.
 
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Lithrael said:
Has anyone in fact said you are a far right thug and Nazi sympathizer, or have they just said they're not interested in watching a video that you basically very rudely dared them to watch, because they have, in their opinions, decent reasons to mistrust the source?
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Plus,in my case at least, I'm unwilling to waste so much time that can be used otherwise, to watch right-wing rantings.
If @smartcooky is so sure that this video is the "gotcha" to prove the BBC liberal bias he insists on, he can (as I requested) provide a list of these points. Preferably with supporting evidence.
 
Just curious, do you think the townsfolk in 'the boy who cried wolf' ought to have kept on checking for wolves every time anyway?

I mean he was telling the truth, once, and it did matter, but the story is generally accepted as a parable about eroding trust, and frames it as a failure of the boy rather than of the town.
 
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