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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
As I recall the Turku coastguard ran a sonar.
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Cite? The accuracy of your recall in this thread is practically non-existent as is your understanding of marine rescue equipment, or any marine equipment for that matter.

I, as a qualified General Hand and cox-in-training, in a very modern and well equipped national volunteer coastguard have never been trained on sonar for surface rescues (except to prevent running my vessel aground accidentally or hitting a submerged obstacle (there’s a hint for you)).

So am quite interested in what sonar system you think was being used by the Turku coastguard during these rescue operations.
 
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Vixen said:
Actually, Tammes getting through on his walkie talkie wasn't part of the plan.
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And what plan was that? You're implying you have knowledge of a plan. Is it documented? Can you name the organization? Someone involved? What is the source for this plan?

I ask because it's been 31 years and nothing has leaked (except the MS Estonia's car deck). Where is the deathbed confession(s)? Where are those disgruntled ex-intelligence or special operations guys who came forward to tell the tale? What about Wikileaks, how have they missed this act of mass murder?

The bridge crew didn't know the ship was in trouble until it was too late. Had they known the visor was gone in a timely fashion they would have done EVERYTHING different.

Unless you can produce deals of this plan, please stop posting bovine scatology.
 
Vixen said:
Us ladies are capable of thinking for ourselves.
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Then why do you repeatedly and continually run to Google or AI when you're asked to explain something? When asked a simple question, specifically about what *you understand* by something, you run to Google or AI, and regurgitate whatever answer you get, no matter how irrelevant or wrong, for example when you were asked what you thought "forward of the bow" meant (because you had hilariously misunderstood the clear meaning from the context), instead of actually being able to respond with your own thoughts, you actually asked AI to tell you what "forward of the bow" meant. Absolutely laughable for someone so boastful of their intellect, education, debate standards, etc.

You show no capability of independent or original thought. You continually *talk about* your intellect, education, open-mindedness, etc. but never actually *demonstrate* any of these things.

edit: Smart people say and do smart things. People who think they're smart talk about how smart they are while saying and doing unsmart things.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
We have been around this loop before, on exactly this same point of Vixen not grasping that the Estonia disappeared from radar, and that is not at all the same thing as sonar.
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Not only that, Vixen actually acknowledged that she shouldn't have mentioned sonar, and said she meant radar instead. Awful memory for what she's said in the past in this discussion.

I can't remember if she has commented on it, but I bet she thinks she has an excellent memory, far superior to the rest of us plebs.
 
A Search reminds me it was January 19th 2022 when Vixen previously assured us MRCC Turku scanned the seas for ships using sonar.
Vixen said:
Whoops. Soz, I meant radar.
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We did the nonsense about Braidwood's cardboard box on the same day. And people were noting the reset back then too, that we were already treading back over familiar ground.
 
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Vixen said:
Us ladies are capable of thinking for ourselves.
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Thinking for oneself is not a gender issue. Your attempt to make it one reflects poorly on your own thought processes.

Does your thinking ability provide you with sufficient information to give us a consistent and reasonably complete narrative of your own view of the events surrounding the sinking of the Estonia?
 
The Common Potato said:
Well, she used to be a VAT inspector in Southport, the town where the rioters come from or go to. I called her 'mum'; by night, she may have been called 'Thug Lillie'. Who knows? Interestingly, my mum was actually older than me. That’s how old she was.
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lucky you.

my mum left me and dad before I was born
 
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