Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Thermal]

A h-uile turas, tha Thermal ag innse dhuinn nach bu chòir dhuinn dùbhlan a thoirt do dhuine sam bith a tha ann an àite dìreach do bhoireannaich. Mar sin, tha e a’ toirt taic do dhaoine fireann a’ cleachdadh àiteachan boireann.

Rolfe, I know you think you're being clever. It was funny the first time, because we all know you live in Scotland and would speak it. After a dozen repetitions, it gets a little pathetic.

 

[WilliamAB]

NM

 

[Thermal]

NM

Oh, come on! I've been looking forward to hearing your thoughts after seeing your Likes around.

 

[WilliamAB]

I am using a Kindle, and it's very hard to type on it. Getting deep into this will cause me no end of frustration. I deleted my comment because it sounded wrong.

 

[Ziggurat]

And BTW, it hasn't been established yet that Grant Freeman/Alexis Black didn't break his ex-wife's jaw, we just don't have independent verification of that yet. Arrest records for other crimes were turned up by TMZ for failure to comply and drug trafficking, but the existence of one crime doesn't disprove another. Grant Freeman does have a criminal record for domestic violence separate from the drug trafficking one. You can look it up yourself here. Unfortunately this record (the only one I can find so far) has basically no details beyond the date of the case, the name and DOB of the accused, and the crime being charged, so I can't track down the source of the NYP quote of the court documents. That web site's records search is kinda crap, I can find this record one using the case number but I can't find it using his name.

 

[Ziggurat]

Another lie. I don't defend the laws; I dislike them.

You consistently defend those laws. You never actually criticize them. You say that you don't like them, but then never say why.

Nobody believes you.

Because she lives in a state where it is legal. She can complain, she can do a lot of things. What she can't do is claim to be a victim.

That's illogical. If the law permits one person to harm another person, the person who was harmed can claim to be a victim even if their victimization was legal.

I was asked what alternatives she had to getting naked around strange males, if she objected to it yet knew it would happen. I ticked off the obvious alternatives.

And it evidently never occurred to you that she shouldn't have to do any of those things, and he absolutely could have.

I confront you with facts and news reports. You weasel for pages to duck it. I ain't taking you seriously anymore either.

You never did. You never took any of the gender critical arguments seriously. Because you have always and consistently been on the TRA side.

 

[Thermal]

You consistently defend those laws. You never actually criticize them. You say that you don't like them, but then never say why.

Said why repeatedly.

Nobody believes you.

On this thread, which is That Thread.

That's illogical. If the law permits one person to harm another person, the person who was harmed can claim to be a victim even if their victimization was legal.

Of course they can. Not in this situation, though. She knew, then acted like it was something unexpected. She knew exactly what she was getting into.

And it evidently never occurred to you that she shouldn't have to do any of those things, and he absolutely could have.

Yes, he could have. And she should expect a male to be in there when she knew about him regularly being in there.

You never did. You never took any of the gender critical arguments seriously. Because you have always and consistently been on the TRA side.

That's called the Illusory Truth Effect. You keep repeating something till it registers with people as bring true. The problem is, once you are aware of someone using it, they register as dishonest, and that goes global to anything they say. See Trump, Donald, the speaking history of.

 

[Ziggurat]

So the prior domestic violence record I found for Freeman, case # C/21/CRA/2063 from 2021, looks like it never went to trial ("ignored" under disposition I believe indicates that a grand jury didn't indict). But that's not the only domestic violence record he has. We also have case # /20/CRB/132 from Jan. 3, 2020. The courtclerk.org web page is again incredibly sparse with details, but the date matches an arrest record posted to Twitter. The twitter post doesn't provide a link to the source for the arrest record, so I don't want to rely on it too much, but the date matches, which inclines me to think it's probably real. The arrest record doesn't indicate a broken jaw, but it very much is a domestic violence arrest. According to the NY Post, his guilty plea for breaking her jaw came in 2022, so possibly from a different incident.

tl;dr: we don't have confirmation yet on the broken jaw, but we do have confirmation of a record of domestic violence, and nothing disproves the broken jaw claim.

 

[Rolfe]

Rolfe, I know you think you're being clever. It was funny the first time, because we all know you live in Scotland and would speak it. After a dozen repetitions, it gets a little pathetic.

Tha fios agam. Cha bhi thu a' freagair a' cheist anns a' Bheurla no anns a' Ghàidhlig. Mar sin leat.

 

[Ziggurat]

That's called the Illusory Truth Effect. You keep repeating something till it registers with people as bring true. The problem is, once you are aware of someone using it, they register as dishonest, and that goes global to anything they say. See Trump, Donald, the speaking history of.

Ah. That explains why you keep accusing all the gender critical people of hating trans people, even though it's not true.

 

[Thermal]

And BTW, it hasn't been established yet that Grant Freeman/Alexis Black didn't break his ex-wife's jaw, we just don't have independent verification of that yet.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, it's true that we have not proven conclusively that Freeman does not rape puppies daily and there is no evidence of it whatsoever but an unevidenced tabloid claim, but let's not let that stand in the way of keeping it on the table, yes?

Thr ◊◊◊◊ on this thread, man. Just incredible.

 

[smartcooky]

Ah. That explains why you keep accusing all the gender critical people of hating trans people, even though it's not true.

@Thermal's apparent total lack of self-awareness is breathtaking to behold. He really does seem to be unaware of his utterly contradictory statements across the board, so much so that he makes multiple accusations of us lying about what he said.

When everyone complains he is being contradictory, and where no-one among us is able to reconcile his stated positions* with what he keeps posting, that is not on us, that's on him!

@Thermal: * That's not a typo. Its plural, because you seem to be simultaneously holding multiple, differing, contradictory positions... and all under the guise of "its complicated".

 

[smartcooky]

Tha fios agam. Cha bhi thu a' freagair a' cheist anns a' Bheurla no anns a' Ghàidhlig. Mar sin leat.

Of course he won't.... we have enough experience with him to know he'll dodge any question that will produce an incovenient answer that won't fit whatever of his various narratives he's following at any given moment.

 

[Elaedith]

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That's called the Illusory Truth Effect. You keep repeating something till it registers with people as bring true. The problem is, once you are aware of someone using it, they register as dishonest, and that goes global to anything they say. See Trump, Donald, the speaking history of.

And yet you keep doing it, although people on this thread are well and truly aware by now that you do it.

 

[zooterkin]

The language of this forum is English (more or less). The occasional words of other languages are fine, but posts and even conversations entirely in other languages is not allowed.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin

 

[Matthew Best]

They were married, and apparently once he threw a punch that broke her jaw. Passionate people do things like that.

All this thrashing around is trying to take away attention from the fact that you wrote the above and thought it was OK to do so.

 

[Aber]

I have unswervingly held that in areas where nudity is expected, sex segregation rules. Since we already have gender neutral multi occupant restrooms, I'm not sure how touchy that should really be.

As ive said (repeatedly), id prefer sex segregation as a gut feel, but its hard to justify intellectually.

It is clear that you don't think single sex spaces are important; and are dismissive of those who do.

Whether this is simply misogyny, or because you don't like hard boundaries (or even both) is unclear.

 

[Rolfe]

All this thrashing around is trying to take away attention from the fact that you wrote the above and thought it was OK to do so.

He also wrote this. I mean obviously I wasn't expecting him to try to communicate in any other language either, but the sheer gall of it takes my breath away. He still won't touch the question and he won't touch it in Latin, Mandarin Chinese or Esperanto either.

Could you tell me your primary language, and I'll try to communicate in that? You are unduly wrestling with understanding the dozens of times I've answered in English. Do the words 'Penis Police' ring a bell, coupled with 'you're not the'?

You don't have to 'tell' anything, unless you are removing by force. Which you are not doing. Your question is meaningless.

Fun diversion, not a derail. I wrote "Mar sin leat," which is a phrase used to mean "Goodbye", although it's literal translation is "Same to you."* As I realised that @smartcooky had probably used Google translate I thought I'd see what it made of that one.

It actually rendered it as "So be it," which sort of made sense but wasn't a correct translation either literally or figuratively. So I switched the languages to get a back translation and then it produced "Biodh e mar sin," which is literally "So be it."

This was when put the entire post in, including the preceding sentences. I then discovered that if I  only typed in "Mar sin leat" it did indeed translate that as "Goodbye," so it obviously knows the idiom.

Moral of the story, don't put your faith in Google translate because it will try to be too clever. (I checked, and it wouldn't give me the Gaelic for "penis" either, although it would back-translate it when I typed it in, so again it did know, it was just being prissy.)

* The actual "Goodbye" phrase is "Beannachd leat," which is literally "A blessing with you," which is then answered with "Mar sin leat," which is "Same to you," or "Also with you," except that informally people just say "Mar sin leat,"** even in the absence of the primary phrase.

** That's the singular familiar. Speaking to more than one person, or to someone older than yourself you'd use the plural "leibh". And we could go on about prepositional pronouns and how all this she/her nonsense on badges doesn't necessarily work in languages other than English, and why I said that the lad at the Gaelic college wearing such a badge would have needed a sandwich board if he'd tried to do it in the language we were supposed to be using, but I'll stop now and return you to your regular programming.

 

[smartcooky]

It is clear that you don't think single sex spaces are important; and are dismissive of those who do.

It is abundantly clear this is his position, no matter how much he squeals, lies, walks back his statements, and then restates them. Its reached the point now where none of us will believe any position he claims to stand upon.

Whether this is simply misogyny, or because you don't like hard boundaries (or even both) is unclear.

Well, they are certainly NOT mutually exclusive!

 

[Rolfe]

It is clear that you don't think single sex spaces are important; and are dismissive of those who do.

Whether this is simply misogyny, or because you don't like hard boundaries (or even both) is unclear.

He says he supports single-sex spaces, but then every reason a woman gives for wanting such a space is judged to be bigoted and hateful, so we shouldn't have them after all.