Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

You did, by implication. "she got mad and punched me in the face three times". I'm assuming she punched you (and not someone else) because you're the one who made her mad. If someone else made her mad and she punched you in response, well, that's even worse.

Your wife was a violent person.

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I should have kept reading. It is indeed worse. Your wife is (or at least was) a violent person. And your excuse, that her violence doesn't do any significant damage, doesn't keep your wife from being a violent person. It's fortunate for all involved that she is evidently weak, but she's still violent. Just like those chihuahuas who are always growling at everyone are aggressive dogs. An aggressive chihuahua is less of a problem than an aggressive St. Bernard, but it's still an aggressive dog, and still a problem.

The fact that you are OK with your wife's violence towards you is disturbing. It does not suffice that she did no serious harm. You should not find that sort of behavior acceptable, because it isn't.
Ya you're totally OK with killing unarmed people that pose no imminent threat of serious bodily injury and/or death, but an ineffectual punch that blows off steam delivered to a consenting target is beyond the pale?

You're taking a lot of extra time to change the subject, and snip out direct challenges to claims you assert.
 
Ya you're totally OK with killing unarmed people that pose no imminent threat of serious bodily injury and/or death
I am not. You may disagree with my conclusion about whether particular circumstances posed such a threat, but I absolutely think that this is a requirement.
but an ineffectual punch that blows off steam delivered to a consenting target is beyond the pale?
Wait. Is this a scenario where you let her spar with you with boxing gloves, something like that?

If so, you lied by omission. Congratulations, you got someone to make the wrong conclusion because you deliberately deceived them. How clever you are.

Nothing about you is honest.
 
I am not. You may disagree with my conclusion about whether particular circumstances posed such a threat, but I absolutely think that this is a requirement.

Wait. Is this a scenario where you let her spar with you with boxing gloves, something like that?
Nope. Just let her throw a couple. I've spent most of my adult life in sparring gear (not so much nowadays), recreationally. She hadn't. I can take whatever she dishes out, barring the obvious dangerous targets.
If so, you lied by omission. Congratulations, you got someone to make the wrong conclusion because you deliberately deceived them. How clever you are.
I'm saying there are interpretations beyond your childishly simplistic chosen ones. You don't know and don't care about the truth. You choose what to believe based on a favored narrative.
Nothing about you is honest.
How you doing on addressing the direct and factual challenges presented, Captain Honesty?
 
Bollocks

You accept sex is binary and unchangeable,
Of course.
but you do not accept that sex is important.
Not only false, but meaninglessly cryptic.
You have few problems with males in female single sex spaces
False. I have unswervingly held that in areas where nudity is expected, sex segregation rules. Since we already have gender neutral multi occupant restrooms, I'm not sure how touchy that should really be.

As ive said (repeatedly), id prefer sex segregation as a gut feel, but its hard to justify intellectually. Harder than I would have thought before joining this discussion.
and are very dismissive of females who disagree with you.
Another untruth. You applying for Team Lie-a-Lot?
 
I'm saying there are interpretations beyond your childishly simplistic chosen ones.
I'm struggling to come up with an explanation for your consistent defense of the TRA positions and criticism of gender critical positions other than you're actually mostly on the TRA side.

Saying 'it's complicated' is a copout.
 
I'm struggling to come up with an explanation for your consistent defense of the TRA positions and criticism of gender critical positions other than you're actually mostly on the TRA side.
He thinks he's playing seven-dimensional chess as he comes up with some ultra-nuanced position that is too complicated for us mere peasants to understand. Either that, or he suffers from anterograde amnesia.
 
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I'm struggling to come up with an explanation for your consistent defense of the TRA positions and criticism of gender critical positions other than you're actually mostly on the TRA side.

Saying 'it's complicated' is a copout.
Still trying to clumsily change the subject? This is getting sad.

What we are talking about is your choosing an unevidenced narrative as factual, and your indifference to the truth.
 
sometimes the humans get livid and furious over something or other. Then their SO comes home, and the seething anger gets turned towards them.
It seems to me that men who are passionate about getting into women's safe spaces, and who resort to violence when their passions are inflamed, should probably be near the top of the short list of men who should never be allowed into women's safe spaces.
 
Still trying to clumsily change the subject? This is getting sad.

What we are talking about is your choosing an unevidenced narrative as factual, and your indifference to the truth.
I based it on a news report which hasn't been verified. I'm no longer using that claim. What else are you expecting? An apology?

You're still trying to excuse males who make women uncomfortable by invading their intimate spaces. You claim that you oppose this, but at every turn you actually support it.
 
It seems to me that men who are passionate about getting into women's safe spaces, and who resort to violence when their passions are inflamed, should probably be near the top of the short list of men who should never be allowed into women's safe spaces.
Agreed. And?
 
I based it on a news report which hasn't been verified. I'm no longer using that claim. What else are you expecting? An apology?
No, I asked you to address the criticism. Instead, you kept ignoring it and tried to call me to the carpet for completely random things, which is not only cowardly, but dishonest.

Are you saying that your other alleged witnesses who were "keeping their heads down" are based on another invisible news report, or was that wholly imaginary on your part?
You're still trying to excuse males who make women uncomfortable by invading their intimate spaces. You claim that you oppose this, but at every turn you actually support it.
No I'm not. I've said... repeatedly... that I oppose California and NJ's laws which allow males to enter women's changing areas. I don't support Freeman doing so.

But again, that's not what I was challenging. I was confronting your (and others) indifference to facts. Your team doesn't mind lying with every post, and refuse to address it when called on it. Your acknowledgement here might be the first time any of you addressed a criticism directly, and it was pulling teeth to get the half-hearted weasel-worded acknowledgement out of you.
 
... putting it mildly!!


One of the hallmarks of misogyny
You should really hear yourselves. "Women are too weak to handle a rare non-conforming person in their restrooms. Leave that to the real men, and ◊◊◊◊ those girly trannies". Then you call others misogynistic. It's a freaking hoot.
Thinking that a man punching his wife and breaking her jaw is excusable is another.
Excusable? It's imaginary. Are you not keeping up again?
 
I've said... repeatedly... that I oppose California and NJ's laws which allow males to enter women's changing areas.
And yet, you constantly defend them and attack any arguments against them. Nobody actually believes you oppose these laws, because you keep defending them.
I don't support Freeman doing so.
Why was your first instinct to come up with reasons why she shouldn't have complained, rather than agree with the complaint that he shouldn't have been there?
But again, that's not what I was challenging. I was confronting your (and others) indifference to facts.
Now you're not being honest about your own argument. Only part of what you said was disputing facts. You also argued that she didn't need to use the changing room. That wasn't a dispute about facts, that was a statement of values. You didn't value her ability to use the changing room without him being present.
Your team doesn't mind lying with every post
You routinely lie about me, I don't take this accusation seriously.
 
A h-uile turas, tha Thermal ag innse dhuinn nach bu chòir dhuinn dùbhlan a thoirt do dhuine sam bith a tha ann an àite dìreach do bhoireannaich. Mar sin, tha e a’ toirt taic do dhaoine fireann a’ cleachdadh àiteachan boireann.
 
And yet, you constantly defend them and attack any arguments against them. Nobody actually believes you oppose these laws, because you keep defending them.
Another lie. I don't defend the laws; I dislike them. What I argue is the reasons your team presents for also disliking the laws. You can dis/like a law for good or bad reasons. Your side most often argues with very bad ones, and that's where you meet with pushback.
Why was your first instinct to come up with reasons why she shouldn't have complained, rather than agree with the complaint that he shouldn't have been there?
Because she lives in a state where it is legal. She can complain, she can do a lot of things. What she can't do is claim to be a victim.
Now you're not being honest about your own argument. Only part of what you said was disputing facts. You also argued that she didn't need to use the changing room.
I was asked what alternatives she had to getting naked around strange males, if she objected to it yet knew it would happen. I ticked off the obvious alternatives. No one really needs to get electively naked in public, in an area where they know mixed sexes will be naked. You have to set that ◊◊◊◊ up to make it happen.
That wasn't a dispute about facts, that was a statement of values. You didn't value her ability to use the changing room without him being present.
I think she should. But if she puts herself, willingly and electively, in a situation where she can be confident he will be legally present, she gots responsibility there.
You routinely lie about me, I don't take this accusation seriously.
I confront you with facts and news reports. You weasel for pages to duck it. I ain't taking you seriously anymore either.
 
Your current position is that this event didn't happen. But before you took that position, you did in fact excuse it.

Do you remember doing that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Pepperidge Farm have a quote? I have a feeling Pepperidge Farm's comprehension is on select fire again.
 

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