Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

Yep - we know the real harm done to kids is from the like of the social media companies, in a hierarchy of harm "accidentallY" coming across porn is way down the list for evidence of harm.

I'm of the belief that more harm to children is done at any and every church or mosque than is ever done by kids looking at porn.

 

[Poem]

I'm of the belief that more harm to children is done at any and every church or mosque than is ever done by kids looking at porn.

You have a choice between leaving a group of children that are in your care in one of two venues:

1. A church where they will hear the preacher speak on the Bible for a couple of hours, followed by an hour's discussion with the church members about what they have just heard.

2. A private internet cafe where they will be treated to Pornhub et al content for the same amount of time.

Let's assume they are all about 13-15 years old.

 

[acbytesla]

You have a choice between leaving a group of children that are in your care in one of two venues:

1. A church where they will hear the preacher speak on the Bible for a couple of hours, followed by an hour's discussion with the church members about what they have just heard.

2. A private internet cafe where they will be treated to Pornhub et al content for the same amount of time.

Let's assume they are all about 13-15 years old.

I'll take number 2 every time and twice on Sunday.

#1. Is lying dishonest crap. #2. Is something very natural.

 

[acbytesla]

I'll take number 2 every time and twice on Sunday.

#1. Is lying dishonest crap. #2. Is something very natural.

Imagine your child going to church to listen to this guy.

 

[Poem]

Any evidence that any significant number of children are doing this?

I would assume, given the addictive nature of porn, that children will want continued access and the OSA will be but a small hurdle.

Plus of course it stops any kid "accidentally" coming across porn - remember that was one of your concerns?

Sure - am all for that.

 

[Poem]

Yep - we know the real harm done to kids is from the like of the social media companies, in a hierarchy of harm "accidentallY" coming across porn is way down the list for evidence of harm.

The UK government explaining the OSA:
The categories of harmful content that platforms need to protect children from encountering are set out in the Act. Children must be prevented from accessing Primary Priority Content, and should be given age-appropriate access to Priority Content. The types of content which fall into these categories are set out below.

Primary Priority Content​

• pornography
• content that encourages, promotes, or provides instructions for either:
  
  • self-harm
  • eating disorders or
  • suicide

Priority Content​

• bullying
• abusive or hateful content
• content which depicts or encourages serious violence or injury
• content which encourages dangerous stunts and challenges; and
• content which encourages the ingestion, inhalation or exposure to harmful substances.

(My emphasis)

 

[arthwollipot]

To clarify - you think everyone should be free to engage in sex irrespective of anything? A man who is in a relationship and has kids is free to go and have sex with whomever he so pleases - and to do so just for the fun of it (let's assume his relationship with his partner is a good one)?

That's one heck of a straw argument you've concocted there. Neither acbytesla nor anyone else has argued that people should just be going around having sex with everyone they want to regardless of relationships or children or anything else.

Here's a life lesson for you. It's universally applicable, compatible with Christian morality, and you should apply it to all aspects of your life.

A relationship is an agreement between people. A relationship is a set of predefined parameters that cover, amongst other things, the sexual behaviour of those in the relationship. In a traditional Christian-derived marriage, these are the "vows" that each person recites to the other during the ceremony. Notably, the traditional vows include the phrase "to the exclusion of all others", but they don't have to. (The traditional vows also include a promise by the wife to "obey" her husband, but that's neither here nor there.)

When one person "cheats on" another, this is defined as breaking the agreement between them. If the agreement is to be monogamous, then sex outside the relationship is cheating. All relationships are based on the trust that a person has in the other to keep to the terms of the agreement. By breaking the agreement, you are betraying the other person's trust.

For the most part, most aspects of this agreement can go unsaid. The agreement to monogamy, for example, is so common that it is usually assumed. But if a person wants their relationship to be different in any way, then it is extremely important for the agreement to be stated explicitly. And yes, this means that if I am in a relationship with a person and our agreement states explicitly that we can have sex with other people, I am not "cheating on" them by doing so.

Neglecting the agreement between partners is what causes so many relationships to go bust. Because it's a betrayal of trust, and not because of sex. If I'm in a relationship with one person, and I go off and have sex with someone else, as long as it is safe and consensual, nobody is harmed by the physical act. Sex is just sex. What can be harmed is the trust that my partner has in my keeping to the terms of the agreement. If monogamy is part of that, then my act has potentially put my relationship at risk.

Here endeth the lesson. If you take this to heart, you will be a better person for it.

 

[acbytesla]

C

That's one heck of a straw argument you've concocted there. Neither acbytesla nor anyone else has argued that people should just be going around having sex with everyone they want to regardless of relationships or children or anything else.

Here's a life lesson for you. It's universally applicable, compatible with Christian morality, and you should apply it to all aspects of your life.

A relationship is an agreement between people. A relationship is a set of predefined parameters that cover, amongst other things, the sexual behaviour of those in the relationship. In a traditional Christian-derived marriage, these are the "vows" that each person recites to the other during the ceremony. Notably, the traditional vows include the phrase "to the exclusion of all others", but they don't have to. (The traditional vows also include a promise by the wife to "obey" her husband, but that's neither here nor there.)

When one person "cheats on" another, this is defined as breaking the agreement between them. If the agreement is to be monogamous, then sex outside the relationship is cheating. All relationships are based on the trust that a person has in the other to keep to the terms of the agreement. By breaking the agreement, you are betraying the other person's trust. For the most part, most aspects of this agreement can go unsaid. The agreement to monogamy, for example, is so common that it is usually assumed. But if a person wants their relationship to be different in any way, then it is extremely important for the agreement to be stated explicitly. And yes, this means that if I am in a relationship with a person and our agreement states explicitly that we can have sex with other people, I am not "cheating on" them by doing so. Neglecting the agreement between partners is what causes so many relationships to go bust. Because it's a betrayal of trust, and not because of sex. If I'm in a relationship with one person, and I go off and have sex with someone else, as long as it is safe and consensual, nobody is harmed by the physical act. Sex is just sex. What can be harmed is the trust that my partner has in my keeping to the terms of the agreement. If monogamy is part of that, then my act has potentially put my relationship at risk.
Here endeth the lesson. If you take this to heart, you will be a better person for it.

Very well said.

I learned this lesson the hard way. One of my earliest relationships I betrayed the trust of a great girl. We never had a spoken agreement. And assumed we didn't have one. My attitude was childish.

 

[Poem]

I'll take number 2 every time and twice on Sunday.

#1. Is lying dishonest crap. #2. Is something very natural.

In the UK, this would apparently constitute child sexual abuse. Here's CEOP (Child Exploitation and Online Prevention Command (law enforcement agency of the NCA)):

Child sexual abuse is when a child, by which we mean anyone under the age of 18, is pressured, forced or tricked in to any sexual activity with an adult or another child. This isn’t only physical contact and can happen both in person and online.

● showing a child images of sexual activity, including photographs, videos or via webcams

I have posted on this before, but perhaps you missed it. Are you still maintaining your choice irrespective of which country it would hypothetically take place in?

 

[Poem]

That's one heck of a straw argument you've concocted there. Neither acbytesla nor anyone else has argued that people should just be going around having sex with everyone they want to regardless of relationships or children or anything else.

Here's a life lesson for you. It's universally applicable, compatible with Christian morality, and you should apply it to all aspects of your life.

A relationship is an agreement between people. A relationship is a set of predefined parameters that cover, amongst other things, the sexual behaviour of those in the relationship. In a traditional Christian-derived marriage, these are the "vows" that each person recites to the other during the ceremony. Notably, the traditional vows include the phrase "to the exclusion of all others", but they don't have to. (The traditional vows also include a promise by the wife to "obey" her husband, but that's neither here nor there.)

When one person "cheats on" another, this is defined as breaking the agreement between them. If the agreement is to be monogamous, then sex outside the relationship is cheating. All relationships are based on the trust that a person has in the other to keep to the terms of the agreement. By breaking the agreement, you are betraying the other person's trust.

For the most part, most aspects of this agreement can go unsaid. The agreement to monogamy, for example, is so common that it is usually assumed. But if a person wants their relationship to be different in any way, then it is extremely important for the agreement to be stated explicitly. And yes, this means that if I am in a relationship with a person and our agreement states explicitly that we can have sex with other people, I am not "cheating on" them by doing so.

Neglecting the agreement between partners is what causes so many relationships to go bust. Because it's a betrayal of trust, and not because of sex. If I'm in a relationship with one person, and I go off and have sex with someone else, as long as it is safe and consensual, nobody is harmed by the physical act. Sex is just sex. What can be harmed is the trust that my partner has in my keeping to the terms of the agreement. If monogamy is part of that, then my act has potentially put my relationship at risk.

Here endeth the lesson. If you take this to heart, you will be a better person for it.

You missed the question mark at the end of my post and the 'To clarify' at the beginning?

 

[dirtywick]

to clarify, you think you can write to clarify at the start of a statement and a question mark at the end and say anything you want in between?

 

[Poem]

to clarify, you think you can write to clarify at the start of a statement and a question mark at the end and say anything you want in between?

You mean are all questions okay? Yes, I think so (within the rules of course). I was asked if I was a child abuser.

 

[Poem]

FWIW - the context:

If it is outside of one's committed relationship, especially where children are involved, then it is, almost certainly, anything but good.

Nonsense.

 

[Poem]

I'm of the belief that more harm to children is done at any and every church or mosque than is ever done by kids looking at porn.

........................snip

Very few of the troubles in the world are actually Jesus's fault.

I'm of the opinion that porn probably is harmful to most people, and especially to minors...................snip

TP - you think porn is probably harmful but don't see a link with:

.........................snip..........

Well. Let's just say that absentee fathers are a significant correlation, with violence and criminality among their children.

?

 

[theprestige]

TP - you think porn is probably harmful but don't see a link with:

?

Correct. Not everything is about porn. Actually, very few things are about porn.

 

[Poem]

Correct. Not everything is about porn. Actually, very few things are about porn.

Have not said everything is about porn and you haven't demonstrated that few things are about porn - contextually anyway.

 

[acbytesla]

In the UK, this would apparently constitute child sexual abuse. Here's CEOP (Child Exploitation and Online Prevention Command (law enforcement agency of the NCA)):

Child sexual abuse is when a child, by which we mean anyone under the age of 18, is pressured, forced or tricked in to any sexual activity with an adult or another child. This isn’t only physical contact and can happen both in person and online.

● showing a child images of sexual activity, including photographs, videos or via webcams

I have posted on this before, but perhaps you missed it. Are you still maintaining your choice irrespective of which country it would hypothetically take place in?

That's a stretch interpretation if I have ever heard one.

 

[Poem]

That's a stretch interpretation if I have ever heard one.

Pornography Laws in the UK: A Complete Guide | Lawtons

There are different pornography laws in the UK so it's important to understand what is and isn't allowed to ensure you are following legal practice. Find out more.

www.lawtonslaw.co.uk

It is an offence to cause a child under the age of 16 to view porn, including showing them photographs depicting sexual activity. This extends to children under 18 years old in the case of people in a position of trust, such as teachers. The only exception to this is where the material is being used for educational purposes.

 

[Poem]

The experts I have been citing don't actually look at the porn they are evaluating?

Gabby Bertin speaking on Sky News about violence and misogyny etc (cued):

 

[acbytesla]

Pornography Laws in the UK: A Complete Guide | Lawtons

There are different pornography laws in the UK so it's important to understand what is and isn't allowed to ensure you are following legal practice. Find out more.

www.lawtonslaw.co.uk

It is an offence to cause a child under the age of 16 to view porn, including showing them photographs depicting sexual activity. This extends to children under 18 years old in the case of people in a position of trust, such as teachers. The only exception to this is where the material is being used for educational purposes.

And that is not any of those things.