Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

This is just terrible. A thread collecting suicides of trans-identifying people who were fully affirmed and supported by their family and friends. I couldn't read very far but most seemed to be women. (I've heard of quite a few men too.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990105291115909526

This is a mental illness that needs proper treatment, which isn't the affirmation of delusions. These poor people.

But I suppose these are also cherry-picked, so don't count. Or they're made up and they didn't happen. Or something.
 
Rolfe said:
This is just terrible. A thread collecting suicides of trans-identifying people who were fully affirmed and supported by their family and friends. I couldn't read very far but most seemed to be women. (I've heard of quite a few men too.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990105291115909526

This is a mental illness that needs proper treatment, which isn't the affirmation of delusions.
These poor people.
But I suppose these are also cherry-picked, so don't count. Or they're made up and they didn't happen. Or something.
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... and their poor families!
 
Sharron Davies (Olympic swimming medalist and Author of Unfair Play, The Battle for Women's Sport) and Tracy Edwards (Round The World Yachtswoman & Captain of the all-female crew of Maiden) have joined forces to form the Women's Sports Union

www.womenssportsunion.com

Our Voice

Meet the advocates fighting for fairness in women's sport. Led by Sharron Davies MBE and Tracy Edwards MBE, supported by champions and experts worldwide.
www.womenssportsunion.com www.womenssportsunion.com

Sharron is interviewed here on Spiked by Georgina Mumford

 
Ziggurat said:
You say that, and yet, time and time again, you attack the people who say the same thing. You constantly attack anyone who argues for why males shouldn't be granted access to the girl's showers. So I don't really believe you. If this is your actual position, why do you constantly undermine it?
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Untrue. I have only pushed back against the dishonest posters who say they are for fairness, while mumbling under their breath "and I hate those perverted cross-dressing freaks'. You have heard me pushing back against the mutterings, not the fairness.
 
theprestige said:
I miss the days when I was still innocent, when the arrival of a fresh progressive name in this thread brought with it the hope that I would finally find out what definition of "woman" we were supposed to be working with.
Nowadays, it's just Thermal trying to gaslight us into thinking that we can't make any decisions or take any action, until we get that working definition from the TRA side.
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Bull ◊◊◊◊. I've been saying that the root of the problem comes from both extremes locking into a convenient usage for their purposes, which is dishonest by nature. Get it defined, by government or professional associations or whoever, and both extremes can't play word games anymore. Your team is no better than theirs on that point. You lock onto what suits your rhetoric. So do they.
theprestige said:
What he doesn't understand is that the TRA side's failure to provide a definition - after years of begging them for one - just means I'm resolved to make decisions and take action without them.
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"I dont agree with them so that means I get to make the rules". Yeah, no. They need to get consistent and you need to move into the 21st century.
theprestige said:
It's one really useful, game-changing thing they could bring to the table, and it's the one thing they obviously do not have.
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They have one. They advocate that we, as a society, have been ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on transpeople for generations. There are multiple posters here that continue to do so quite brazenly. So we talk it out to find a fair resolution that respects everyone.

That does not mean we say "so we do everything at my extreme", which is the argument generally presented ITT.
 
Thermal said:
I didn't pull those particular words out of thin air. I pulled them from a post from a frequent flyer here.
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Cite the post, then.

I know there's at least one flyer here who frequently posts evidence of, and commentary from, people who are quite obviously "perverted cross-dressing freaks" who have properly earned hatred by their actions. Hating those specific people who deserve it doesn't equate to secretly also hating all the other gender dysphorics who don't behave that way.

One of the major problems with current TR activism, one of the things that makes it so toxic, is that it tends to encourage and normalize the perverted and freakish behavior of some cross-dressers. These hateful people are making themselves the face of the movement, with little to no pushback from anyone inside the movement, or reporting on the movement.

This isn't good for women, it isn't good for society, and it isn't even good for actual gender dysphorics who could benefit from recognition, tolerance, and support for proper treatment. Trans rights activism does neither itself nor anyone else any favors, by championing the perverted, cross-dressing freaks.
 
theprestige said:
So cite the post, then. I bet I've properly contextualized it, and you've misrepresented it.
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Ok. Show me where the poster was referring to a specific instance where it was "properly contextualized", and I misrepresent that they were referring to trans people in general.
Rolfe said:
You just want any man at all to be able to walk into the women's facilities, then?

Honestly, we'd be better off going into the men's I think. At least the men in there tend to be normal, not cross-dressing perverts.

(And you know and I know that the transcult has appropriated the word "female" too. You even see it in newspaper reports. "Trans female" used for a man with lady feelz. They're working on "biological female" too.)
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In fairness, I added their LOLing at someone else who described transwomen working at a rape crisis center as "freaks in a boob tube". It was not their phrase, only their support of another nasty generic representation.
 
theprestige said:
So cite the post, then. I bet I've properly contextualized it, and you've misrepresented it.
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"and I hate those perverted cross-dressing freaks" is not the same thing as "At least the men in there tend to be normal, not cross-dressing perverts"

He's taken @Rolfe's post in isolation from the context in which she was replying to his inane ramblings directed at @Emily's Cat. Also, changed the word "perverts" to the word "freaks" for better dramatic effect.

Yup, you were right... he's misrepresented a phrase he hasn't even quoted correctly in the first place.
 
Thermal said:
Ok. Show me where the poster was referring to a specific instance where it was "properly contextualized", and I misrepresent that they were referring to trans people in general.
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Show me the poster, and I'll do my best to oblige.

Thermal said:
In fairness, I added their LOLing at someone else who described transwomen working at a rape crisis center as "freaks in a boob tube". It was not their phrase, only their support of another nasty generic representation.
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In fairness, you didn't pull

mumbling under their breath "and I hate those perverted cross-dressing freaks'.
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From the post you just cited.

Meanwhile, examples of cross-dressing perverts expressing hateful opinions are posted here almost daily.
 
Julia Harley-Brewer interviews Dr Helen Joyce (an excellent public speaker who my daughters and granddaughters and I went to see speak in Christchurch last month) about the EHRC Guidance.


Its been seven months since the UK Supreme Court ruling and this guidance STILL has still not been presented to parliament, because Bridget Phillipson (Secretary of State for Education) has been dragging her feet. However, the guidance HAS been leaked, probably by someone in her office).
 
Thermal said:
Untrue. I have only pushed back against the dishonest posters who say they are for fairness, while mumbling under their breath "and I hate those perverted cross-dressing freaks'. You have heard me pushing back against the mutterings, not the fairness.
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Leaving aside your mischaracterization of other posters, you've been pretty consistently shilling for self-ID rules in bathrooms. You regularly argue that it doesn't create actual problems.

You have zero consistency, zero self-awareness, and zero intellectual honesty. I do not take your objections seriously, because you clearly don't take this issue seriously. It's just an opportunity to slam posters you don't like as transphobes, without having to actually commit to the TRA position that you clearly favor but won't actually defend.
 
Ziggurat said:
Leaving aside your mischaracterization of other posters, you've been pretty consistently shilling for self-ID rules in bathrooms. You regularly argue that it doesn't create actual problems.

You have zero consistency, zero self-awareness, and zero intellectual honesty. I do not take your objections seriously, because you clearly don't take this issue seriously. It's just an opportunity to slam posters you don't like as transphobes, without having to actually commit to the TRA position that you clearly favor but won't actually defend.
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