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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

You said "IIRC" which is not you saying you know that.

Also, stop with the nonsense "cockney" slang that isn't.
So says some guy who claims to be the only cockney in the village,
How do you know that?
Because that was whom the diagram was credited to. It appears to originate from this youtube reconstruction by Safety at Sea, which may or may not be the original. (Skip to 7:16):

 
I understand that perfectly, the only point being that no matter where the ship sank in that region there will be a rocky outcrop nearby. It doesn't follow that this rocky outcrop caused the breach in the hull. The USS Park Victory that was wrecked in a similar region in 1947 happened because the captain didn't anchor properly and the vessel was thrown into the icy rocks (he was named and prosecuted BTW, in the same way drivers involved in car crashes are: they are supposed to be in control of their machine). Likewise, the TITANIC crashed into an iceberg. Many shipwrecks off Devon and Cornwall in ye olden days was due to their crashing INTO rocks, not hitting them at the bottom.
So what did the Estonia hit?
 
I am totally transparent with my sources.
No.

Unlike yourself, I don't feel threatened by people who have a different opinion from myself.
Nobody here is "threatened." You're not any sort of intellectual powerhouse. You're not exploring alternate opinions; you're just wrong.
 
Unlike you, I don't claim to know.
You claim to know enough to say that hitting a rock on the bottom is not a credible answer. Imagining that there was some other collision but being unable to show what it may have been with doesn't make you smarter. Quite the opposite.
 
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And that matters why? Why does that make a difference in whether a ship hitting a rock will poke a hole in it?
In one , the crash into the rocks is due to the velocity of the wind and the captain simply not seeing the rocks ahead (hence lighthouses). The southwesterly winds in the Baltic are indeed vicious and various ships have sunk there, but usually by hitting the rocks thanks to wind or poor mooring (as in Park Victory) or because of bog standard warfare.
 
In one , the crash into the rocks is due to the velocity of the wind and the captain simply not seeing the rocks ahead (hence lighthouses). The southwesterly winds in the Baltic are indeed vicious and various ships have sunk there, but usually by hitting the rocks thanks to wind or poor mooring (as in Park Victory) or because of bog standard warfare.
Why does that create a difference between hitting a rock while moving horizontally versus hitting a rock while moving vertically? How do the circumstances you've mentioned here affect the physics of the collision?
 
Unlike you, I don't claim to know.
Accidental damage to HMS falmouth as a result of a beam to beam collision with the stores ship RFA Tideflow.
This happened in 1961 in an anti submarine exercise off of Portland.

Compare with the damage to Estonia. What do you think could have caused the damage we see on the Estonia hull?


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You claim to know enough to say that hitting a rock on the bottom is not a credible answer. Imagining that there was some other collision but being unable to show what it may have been with doesn't make you smarter. Quite the opposite.
I did not say it was not a credible answer; what I said was the fact it landed near rocks doesn't ipso facto follow it was the rocks wot caused the breach in the hull. Sure, it might cause one - or even two, due to natural erosion - but that doesn't rule out a breach BEFORE sinking.
 
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I did not say it was not a credible answer; what I said was the fact it landed near rocks doesn't ipso facto follow it was the rocks wot caused the breach in the hull. Sure, it might cause one - or even two, due to natural erosion - but that doesn't rule out a breach BEFORE sinking.
Do you have an answer that's more credible?
 
As an objective person, I shall wait to see the final report.
So no, you don't have any better idea. Yet for some reason we're 800 or so pages along in a whole bunch of alternate explanations that you've put in front of us and invited us to evaluate. Evertsson has some ideas about what might have caused it. Is he right? Is he being objective and waiting for more information?
 
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