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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

The stupid is off the charts here.

1. The MS Estonia weighed 15,598GT. It was designed to float, and the hull and superstructure were (like all surface vessels) designed to that end. The ship sank in rough seas, and landed on her side. While the hull is designed to take physical abuse to varying degrees, the superstructure is not. I don't care ho smooth the rocks are, they will punch through the much thinner metal siding (as they did).

2. The ship hit the bottom and settled. Meaning it rolled and adjusted itself into those rocks creating a grinding effect.

3. The ship has continued to roll in the decades since the sinking due to a largely unstable mud shelf it sits on, and currents in that area enhanced by benthic topography. The result is the ship grinding more into those rocks.

4. I've never been to Europe but I assume 15,598GT is heavy there too.

5. Rocks don't have to be pointy to dent thin metal. The 15,598GT , gravity, and currents do all the work. In fact, speaking as a marine geology major, the rocks just lay there. The rocks in Yosemite are smooth too, yet people find ways to die on them every year. I think this analogy is why you gravitate toward Bjorkman, he has issues grasping basic facts too.

6. I posted the university study on the wreck which the final report will be based upon (hint: if you read the study you'll know what the report will say). On pages #70 through #77 they detail the hull damage in relation to the rocky outcrops. And yes, the breaches are from impact, not explosives. https://assets.ctfassets.net/3lp10f...6aa3804/SU_-_Estonia_v2.2_view_compressed.pdf
I understand that perfectly, the only point being that no matter where the ship sank in that region there will be a rocky outcrop nearby. It doesn't follow that this rocky outcrop caused the breach in the hull. The USS Park Victory that was wrecked in a similar region in 1947 happened because the captain didn't anchor properly and the vessel was thrown into the icy rocks (he was named and prosecuted BTW, in the same way drivers involved in car crashes are: they are supposed to be in control of their machine). Likewise, the TITANIC crashed into an iceberg. Many shipwrecks off Devon and Cornwall in ye olden days was due to their crashing INTO rocks, not hitting them at the bottom.
 
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I understand that perfectly, the only point being that no matter where the ship sank in that region there will be a rocky outcrop nearby. It doesn't follow that this rocky outcrop caused the breach in the hull.
According to whom?

Many shipwrecks off Devon and Cornwall in ye olden days was due to theri crashing INTO rocks, not hitting them at the bottom.
Why does it matter whether the ship hits a rock moving horizontally versus vertically?
 
So he didn't admit he lied. That's just your putting words into his mouth.
No, he's posted it, you're just feigning laziness so you can pretend he never posted it. I mean if he goes and posts it again for you then you'll just ignore it again because you're an intellectually dishonest coward.

If I said it was a certain source, then it was.
Except you just said you couldn't remember what the source was. Which I am pretty confident is a lie.
 
So he didn't admit he lied. That's just your putting words into his mouth.
No, that's not what I said. What I said was that you ignore the source every time I post it. Therefore I'm not going to ride your merry-go-round.

If I said it was a certain source, then it was.
Either you remember the source or you don't.
 
See above re the JAIC technical report and press release (94/95) already referred to. What did I advise about listening?
Amazing, so if someone asks you to support one of your claims you can say "look back in the thread" but when someone says to look back in the thread for evidence they have posted for their claims you proclaim them a liar.

Disgustingly intellectually dishonest there.
 
No, he's posted it, you're just feigning laziness so you can pretend he never posted it. I mean if he goes and posts it again for you then you'll just ignore it again because you're an intellectually dishonest coward.


Except you just said you couldn't remember what the source was. Which I am pretty confident is a lie.
Remind me. Refresh the mind of all of us. No, I didn't say I couldn't remember the source I said I couldn't remember where I got it from.
 
What is your source for the JAIC saying it floated on a 90° list, and why did you read this as meaning "floated on its superstructure"?

Can't remember now but I dare say you could do a search if you are that interested.
This is your response, on THIS PAGE to Mojo asking you for your source.

You can't help yourself from lying can you?
 
Amazing, so if someone asks you to support one of your claims you can say "look back in the thread" but when someone says to look back in the thread for evidence they have posted for their claims you proclaim them a liar.

Disgustingly intellectually dishonest there.
Bloody Nora. When I said I don't remember where I got it from I WAS REFERRING TO THE SITE. Kimo sabe? I do know it was drawn by Edinburgh Uni.
 
When it said it floated on a 90° list. OK fair enough, but where do they show their calculations as to GOM, etc. To account for it sinking stern first, it brings in the concept of 'it must have been the aft windows on decks four and five wot got smashed by waves' to account for it, when the first common sense thought would be, OMG there's a breach in the hull let's look into that as a first priority!
How about that's where the biggest machinery are?
 

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