Split Thread Are Antifa and violent leftists the cause of everything wrong in America?

[Opcode]

They don't seem to be advocating societal overthrow. Nor destruction, nor unlawful activity, nor government subversion.

How long do you think they would have a website if they put that on their website? Not long, I suspect. That also wasn't the challenge. The challenge is whether Antifa exists. If they don't, then who is this group?

They seem to be limiting their scope specifically to Portland OR.

How could they do anything if they don't exist?

The worst you could say is they doxx local fascists, of which there are plenty in Portland.

Leftist, liberal Portland is a fascist playground?

No references whatever to "antifa USA" headquarters, nor national management, nor anything the GOP rails against.

I've never heard anybody in the GOP claim that Antifa is a national or centralized group. That doesn't stop them from engaging in criminal and terroristic activity. It also doesn't stop Leftists from denying that they exist, though it should.

It's essentially a neighbourhood Facebook group.

Whose mission is disrupting the activities of anybody they don't like through physical force.

There are plenty of anti-fascist people in the USA like these. But there is no organised national "antifa".

Nobody claimed there is.

 

[steenkh]

Nobody claimed there is.

Wrong. That there is an organised antifa movement in the US is what has been claimed all the time.

 

[Opcode]

Why do the Right love paedophiles and sexual abusers so much?

What's your evidence for this?

 

[Opcode]

Wrong. That there is an organised antifa movement in the US is what has been claimed all the time.

A group of people who conduct coordinated activities at a certain place and time has some level of organization.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Nobody claimed there is.

Absurdly wrong.

Time for an easy question: When Donald Trump referred to Antifa as a singular entity multiple times, was he incorrect?

 

[AmyStrange]

A group of people who conduct coordinated activities at a certain place and time has some level of organization.

Not always, but I'm sure you have evidence of this... oh wait, you don't.

 

[Susheel]

What's your evidence for this?

You elected Trump president...there's a lot more, but that should be enough.

 

[Opcode]

They celebrated the disappearance of the Shah, his totalitarian regime, the torture and persecution by his secret as well as non-secret police, and his stranglehold on every single one of his citizens, at home or abroad. They thought they were rid of dictators. The Iranian left is the strongest, most vociferous opposition to the ayatollah and his henchmen.

Hatred of the West? Don't be ridiculous. If someone does not think the Western world is perfect and want change, that does not nean they hate it.

Except that the Left hates the West. They denounce its "systemic racism" that they claim is inherent and unavoidable in the system. They call for the dismantling and reconstruction the West into their image. They hate the Judeo-Christianity that is identified with the West. They hate capitalism, maybe even private property. The Left doesn't just want to change the West; they want to eliminate it. The nature of the Left is radical revolution.

 

[Opcode]

I identify as antifa, for I am a true American with two grandfathers that bravely and heroically fought the Nazis.

The only people who called themselves Antifa in the WWII Era were Communists, mostly in Germany and Italy.

Being Antifa is the default position for actual Americans. And Canadians, Brits, Aussies, French, Italians, etc, etc, etc, and so on. Only those who are anti-antifa are terrorists.

No, that's word games. Opposition to fascism doesn't make one Antifa.

 

[Helen]

Except that the Left hates the West. They denounce its "systemic racism" that they claim is inherent and unavoidable in the system. They call for the dismantling and reconstruction the West into their image. They hate the Judeo-Christianity that is identified with the West. They hate capitalism, maybe even private property. The Left doesn't just want to change the West; they want to eliminate it. The nature of the Left is radical revolution.

The bastards! And to think I have been a lefty for well over 60 years, and those bastards have hidden all this from me, and pretended to be all about equality, solidarity, human rights and improved living conditions for everyone in society...

Well i never. Too late for me to change I expect. Had better learn to hate all that stuff now. Down with everything and everyone!

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Beach of rule 0 and 12 removed.

 

[dirtywick]

How is that possible, if Antifa doesn't exist?

i didn’t say that antifa doesn’t exist, in fact i linked a video of an interview. a couple people made fun of it and didn’t watch it unfortunately.

to be clear you don’t have it right either though.

Oh, tell me more!

What evidence do you have of this?

getting a little too excited about it

regardless ice actions are well known. there’s a bunch of links to incidents in the thread this was split from you can examine yourself.

i hate it when you guys do that, make evidence demands like i’m supposed to drag you kicking and screaming through the whole thing. if you’re curious the info is there, if you’re not then that’s on you.

 

[steenkh]

A group of people who conduct coordinated activities at a certain place and time has some level of organization.

Sure. Three people who conduct coordinated activities at a certain place and time has a certain level of organisation, but you well know that this is not what Trump and his handlers are talking about. In fact, they claim that every activity against Trump anywhere is organised by "antifa". Remember the "No Kings" demonstration? That was claimed to be "antifa", and Trump said that they were looking to ban the organisation. Good luck with that!

 

[steenkh]

Opposition to fascism doesn't make one Antifa.

If opposition to fascism is not anti-fascism, I wonder what is.

Or perhaps you can quote from the manifesto of the Antifa organisation?

 

[Mojo]

It's the way they've made it a virtue to shut off their brains that gets to me.

"The battery runs down." - Mrs Richards.

 

[dirtywick]

Sure. Three people who conduct coordinated activities at a certain place and time has a certain level of organisation, but you well know that this is not what Trump and his handlers are talking about. In fact, they claim that every activity against Trump anywhere is organised by "antifa". Remember the "No Kings" demonstration? That was claimed to be "antifa", and Trump said that they were looking to ban the organisation. Good luck with that!

it seems to me some people are having a difficult time understanding what a decentralized movement is. not you, just in general

it’s not an organization you can designate a terrorist group since there’s no official leader and people can freely call themselves antifa or not as they please, but there’s definitely people calling themselves antifa and doing organized political activist stuff. it’s like anonymous, you can participate if you want and stop anytime and you’re not really obligated to do anything. some take it a little further than others.

but idk why we’re talking about antifa so much. they’re not burning down portland this time, it’s not the blm summer. ice is going berserk all on their own against people minding their own business

 

[Carrot Flower King]

The bastards! And to think I have been a lefty for well over 60 years, and those bastards have hidden all this from me, and pretended to be all about equality, solidarity, human rights and improved living conditions for everyone in society...

Well i never. Too late for me to change I expect. Had better learn to hate all that stuff now. Down with everything and everyone!

Perhaps you could get therapy? That level of frenzied and irrational fear surely can't be good for you in the long run.

Could it be that certain folk actually have no clue what so ever about leftish views?

I mean, Nye Bevan once said that the Labour Party is more Methodist than Marxist, so as an ex-Methodist I'd quite like to know how I missed the ways in which Methodism in County Durham fitted in with the screed above?

 

[Resume]

Didn't Blondi or Dog Killer claim they have antifa's girlfriend or something?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Didn't Blondi or Dog Killer claim they have antifa's girlfriend or something?

Thanks. They say so many weird and stupid things all the time that I keep forgetting the things they said, oh, days ago. Always good to have refreshers.

 

[AmyStrange]

Taking a break for a while to get away from all the crazy posters here (just kidding), so...

 

[Aridas]

but idk why we’re talking about antifa so much.

OpCode's bad argumentation. It went from there, because Antifa's still a right-wing boogeyman and scapegoat that those so inclined are happy to scream about to avoid the much more complicated and unpleasant reality of things.