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Split Thread Are Antifa and violent leftists the cause of everything wrong in America?

Susheel said:
The current ICE protests that you seem to have a problem with are primarily this.
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Again, protest marches are not the time nor the place for violence. I don't know why you think that protesting ICE changes that.
 
Susheel said:
So where was the violence during the No Kings protests?
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It was mostly from right wing nutjobs that love the fat clown, but since there was no violence from anyone else, antifa mustn't have been involved, at least according to the guy with all the "facts" anyway.

Of course, if you use the definition I mentioned above:

"Antifa is a militant enterprise made up of networks of individuals and small groups primarily ascribing to a revolutionary anarchist or autonomous Marxist ideology, which explicitly calls for the overthrow of the U.S. government, law enforcement authorities and the system of law."
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those fat clown lovers must've been antifa too.
 
Opcode said:
Where did you hear that there was violence?
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Where did you hear that there was none?

Almost all of it was from stupid right wing nutjobs (or antifa as the Texas AG and the fat clown would say), but that's probably another inconvenient fact that you'll ignore.
 
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Opcode said:
Again, protest marches are not the time nor the place for violence. I don't know why you think that protesting ICE changes that.
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Well, if you actually looked at real facts, you'd know why, but oops, that's another inconvenient fact that you'll ignore.
 
Any way...coming back to the point...no, there is absolutely NO evidence that antifa and violent leftists are the cause of everything wrong in America. But there is ample evidence that runaway capitalism, dilution of labor rights, corporate greed is going to turn America into an oligarchic hellhole.
 
Susheel said:
Any way...coming back to the point...no, there is absolutely NO evidence that antifa and violent leftists are the cause of everything wrong in America. But there is ample evidence that runaway capitalism, dilution of labor rights, corporate greed is going to turn America into an oligarchic hellhole.
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"Going to"? I would argue that it already has.
 
Opcode said:
Name any Communist nation in modern times that has ever achieved this alleged aim of Communism.
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There has never been a Communist nation in the first place. "State Communism," on the other hand, very much exists and is a right-wing perversion of communism that adopts a few of the elements as a flimsy facade. Totalitarianism is problematic, whatever the disguise, and pretending the sins of Totalitarianism are the sins of Communism is a defense of Totalitarianism. Any chance that you'd be willing to stop defending Totalitarianism?

To be clear, actual Communism at nation-scale is likely still not doable in the first place and human nature would likely quickly doom such even if the hurdles could be overcome. There's plenty of criticisms that can be made about actual Communism, in short, but what you're forwarding are not that.

Opcode said:
Let's not worry about all the damages and injuries and deaths Antifa caused!
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So far, you've reasonably established that antifa caused injuries when they fought back against the very right wing Proud Boys picking a fight with and attacking them. Such incredible reasonability!

Damages? You've repeatedly tried to engage in extremely dishonest sleight of hand when it comes to your claims. Who actually did the damages that you claimed and the actual nature of those damages are things that you just keep casually ignoring as you try to blame your preferred targets.

Deaths? Kyle Rittenhouse alone accounts for more murders than all of Antifa during the BLM protests! In general, during the BLM protests, right-wingers were the primary killers, yet you keep trying to blame antifa and the left-wing for the actions of the right-wing. On top of that, Republican legislatures outright passed bills to pave the way for right-wingers to murder protesters! Yet you still keep trying to attribute everything bad that happened onto Antifa and the left.

Opcode said:
The fires were significant, millions of dollars in damages. You wouldn't be so carefree if it had happened to your property.
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You cited an article that said that firebombs were thrown at the police. That's very, very different than the city being burned down as you claimed. You've also effectively argued that contents of a trashcan being burned counts as buildings being burned down.

The dishonesty and misrepresentation would be staggering, if you hadn't already shown that it's to be expected of you.

As another small side note that you may reject because it conflicts with your preferred narrative, for the protests, the actual BLM organization trained their people to do their best to keep everything legal, non-violent, and with no property damage done. Mostly, they succeeded. Yet you vilify BLM as a matter of course.
 
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steenkh said:
Hitler personally never did, but quite a lot of his minions did.

Did Stalin personally conduct executions? (Honest question: I have no idea)
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Beria and others like him did so, in his name. And he was probably the author of various atrocities during his time as a foot soldier fopr the Bolshies.
 
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Opcode said:
I didn't say that Portland burned down. I said that "Burning down cities, smashing storefronts and assaulting people are actions of terrorist groups." It isn't surprising that people who sympathize with Antifa would try re-writing the events that took place and my description of them. That's what Leftists do!
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First of all, you did write "Burning down cities", not setting fires to garbage cans, so pardon me for thinking you meant that the cities were burned down. Secondly, the president you voted for actually said that Portland has been burned down, and that it is a war zones that is worse than Afghanistan was, so how could I know that you disagreed with him?
 
Opcode said:
Let's not worry about all the damages and injuries and deaths Antifa caused!
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like honestly, can we move on from that? it was discussed to death at the time and time doesn't seem to have given you any new perspective on it. is there anything new to say here? it's like you really want antifa to be the problem today but they aren't, so you have to go back to when you can blame the left. it's a little sad.

Opcode said:
The fires were significant, millions of dollars in damages. You wouldn't be so carefree if it had happened to your property.

No, what I've seen since then makes me want to vote for Trump again, and I don't even like the guy.

It's odd that you compare law enforcement officers engaging in their official duties the same as a group of rioting protesters. You can blame the criminals (including those physically assaulting ICE) for the lost revenue.
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to be clear, the things you've seen since trump was elected make you want to vote for him more?

ok
 
Norman Alexander said:
What "fact" was that? A Fox fact?

Seriously, you need to send a letter to the CEO of antifa. Their address is 1 DoesNotExist Street, Imaginationville.
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I believe the actual address is General Daniel Cane, Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Pentagon, Arlington County, Virginia, USA.

You'll have to look up the zip code yourself.
 
Opcode said:
Puh-tat-oh, Pat-awt-oh. If somebody claims to be Antifa, such as by wearing a jacket that says "Antifa," marches with groups of people who identify as Antifa, belongs to the local Antifa group and has a history of espousing Leftist views, then I take that as sufficient evidence that they are actual Leftists. What do you want? A blood sample?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Glamorous Antifa ringleader learns fate over clashes with Proud Boys

Alissa Azar, 33, learned her fate at the Judicial District Circuit Court of Oregon on Monday, three weeks after a jury found her guilty of felony riot and disorderly conduct.
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What crime did she actually commit? And I'm not asking for what SA-ICE fitted her up for neither.
 
Trausti said:
They are the only ones causing trouble in Portland.
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Just this past weekend, there were five shootings in Portland, resulting in two deaths and four injuries. Police said there's no reason to believe any of them are related.

There being no reason to believe any of those five shootings are related, it is impossible for some "they" to be the only ones causing trouble in Portland. Conclusion: @Trausti doesn't know what he's talking about.

As was noted in most news reports of the past weekend's shootings in Portland, the number of homicides recorded in Portland so far this year is down by more than 30% from last year's count as of this date. In fact, Portland recorded the steepest drop in violent crime among all 68 participating U.S. agencies during the first half of this year.
Trausti said:
This is nowhere close to reality.
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What @Trausti has been claiming about Portland is indeed nowhere close to reality.
 
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