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Split Thread Are Antifa and violent leftists the cause of everything wrong in America?

Opcode said:
I didn't say that Portland burned down. I said that "Burning down cities, smashing storefronts and assaulting people are actions of terrorist groups." It isn't surprising that people who sympathize with Antifa would try re-writing the events that took place and my description of them. That's what Leftists do!
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What's the difference between "Portland burned down" and "Burning down cities".

Except for the semantics, it sounds like the same damn thing to me.
 
Opcode said:
That's when the Antifa protests took place. Do you know of any conducted more recently than 2021, particularly that resulted in riots?

Yes, that's the point here.

When discussing five year-old events it is.
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Yup, that mysterious terrorist group that you keep going on and on about without a shred of proof.
 
Susheel said:
There were also very reliable reports of agent provocateurs during the BLM protests...any comments on that?
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The only proof Opcode cares about is the ones that confirm his bias.

Since they have yet to prove antifa is behind all this, his credibility is nonexistent in my book.
 
Susheel said:
Nope...however much you want to try and create a false equivalence between communism and fascism, the reality is different. Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian system based on a nationalist, hierarchical, and often racial ideology rigidly defined social and class roles, with the state at the top with a powerful dictator at its head. It's very nature does not make it beneficial for any society.

Communism seeks a classless, stateless society with common ownership of the means of production and economic equality. It seeks to eliminate class distinctions and create a society where all are equal.
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Name any Communist nation in modern times that has ever achieved this alleged aim of Communism. Russia? Vietnam? China? Cuba? No; it has NEVER happened! All of them are stuck in the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat." What you are talking about is Marxist *theory*. In our *reality*, Communism has been every bit as brutal and abusive as Naziism ever was. Stalin was a butcher of his own people. Mao caused the deaths of more of his own people than any other dictator before him ever had. Pol Pot was a monster. Castro and Guevara were brutal butchers and monsters who delighted in torturing people to death. Not even Hitler personally conducted executions, particularly for his own amusement, but a lot of Communists did. The world would be a better place without any of them!
 
Opcode said:
Name any Communist nation in modern times that has ever achieved this alleged aim of Communism. Russia? Vietnam? China? Cuba? No; it has NEVER happened! All of them are stuck in the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat." What you are talking about is Marxist *theory*. In our *reality*, Communism has been every bit as brutal and abusive as Naziism ever was. Stalin was a butcher of his own people. Mao caused the deaths of more of his own people than any other dictator before him ever had. Pol Pot was a monster. Castro and Guevara were brutal butchers and monsters who delighted in torturing people to death. Not even Hitler personally conducted executions, particularly for his own amusement, but a lot of Communists did. The world would be a better place without any of them!
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You obviously know nothing about communism.
 
Opcode said:
Name any Communist nation in modern times that has ever achieved this alleged aim of Communism. Russia? Vietnam? China? Cuba? No; it has NEVER happened! All of them are stuck in the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat." What you are talking about is Marxist *theory*. In our *reality*, Communism has been every bit as brutal and abusive as Naziism ever was. Stalin was a butcher of his own people. Mao caused the deaths of more of his own people than any other dictator before him ever had. Pol Pot was a monster. Castro and Guevara were brutal butchers and monsters who delighted in torturing people to death. Not even Hitler personally conducted executions, particularly for his own amusement, but a lot of Communists did. The world would be a better place without any of them!
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I agree 100%.

Now demonstrate that Communism as you describe it is a threat to America today. Some of the rightist media are calling Zohran Mamdani as a communist, for example. Can you describe the ways in which Mamdani is like Stalin?
 
Opcode said:
Name any Communist nation in modern times that has ever achieved this alleged aim of Communism. Russia? Vietnam? China? Cuba? No; it has NEVER happened! All of them are stuck in the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat." What you are talking about is Marxist *theory*. In our *reality*, Communism has been every bit as brutal and abusive as Naziism ever was. Stalin was a butcher of his own people. Mao caused the deaths of more of his own people than any other dictator before him ever had. Pol Pot was a monster. Castro and Guevara were brutal butchers and monsters who delighted in torturing people to death. Not even Hitler personally conducted executions, particularly for his own amusement, but a lot of Communists did. The world would be a better place without any of them!
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So has Capitalism. In fact Capitalism has historically been very comfortable with backing and aligning itself with some of the worst authoritarian dictatorships in the world. Going so far as to ensure ascendance to leadership positions in various countries. It has also ensured the destabilisation of what could be decent communist countries by scaremongering and even outright violence. For example America's continuing role in Latin America.
 
dirtywick said:
something about covid seems to have got a certain amount of people stuck in a moment in time.
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Let's not worry about all the damages and injuries and deaths Antifa caused!
dirtywick said:
anyway, the biggest damages to downtown portland was lost revenue. that's not burnt down.
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The fires were significant, millions of dollars in damages. You wouldn't be so carefree if it had happened to your property.
dirtywick said:
and if you take a look around at what's happened since then, an honest person would say maybe the anti-fascists had a point.
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No, what I've seen since then makes me want to vote for Trump again, and I don't even like the guy.
dirtywick said:
anyway, wonder if we're going to bring up lost revenue as damages due to ice raids? suddenly, that's not important i'm sure
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It's odd that you compare law enforcement officers engaging in their official duties the same as a group of rioting protesters. You can blame the criminals (including those physically assaulting ICE) for the lost revenue.
 
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