Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Helen]

Semantics. We don't have to imagine, we just have to realise that families with loads of children in shared one room, often with livestock as well. In cold climates, they spent most of their days indoors during the dark and cold days.

Should i change my opinions because some unnamed others, whom I may share some of my opinions with, do not share them on this subject? No. I am against exploitation and misogyny in all industries and workplaces, that does not mean i want all those industries/workplaces banned, i just want them to improve.

Do you think children have not watched exploitation, misogyny and violence over the millennia, and in real life, where it has a far greater impact? And yet the world has changed for the better, on the whole.

Teach children about sex, and about consent, and let them know that sex is good when it is something you want, and only bad if you don't.

 

[Poem]

Semantics. We don't have to imagine, we just have to realise that families with loads of children in shared one room, often with livestock as well. In cold climates, they spent most of their days indoors during the dark and cold days.

Doesn't remotely prove:

Oh, the youth of yesteryear had every bit as much access to the real thing, and depictions/descriptions thereof, as the youth of today have to internet porn, if not more

Should i change my opinions because some unnamed others, whom I may share some of my opinions with, do not share them on this subject? No. I am against exploitation and misogyny in all industries and workplaces, that does not mean i want all those industries/workplaces banned, i just want them to improve.

Do you think Pornhub (Aylo) should face crippling financial liabilities?

Do you think children have not watched exploitation, misogyny and violence over the millennia, and in real life, where it has a far greater impact? And yet the world has changed for the better, on the whole.

Assertion.

 

[Helen]

You really, really need to educate yourself. If the facts of history are beyond you, why not try fiction written by the people who have lived through it? Perhaps start with the poets and playwrights of ancient Greece, and work your way forward through the centuris? (I'm not taking a dig at you by suggesting fiction, it's a good source for understanding what everyday lufe was like.)

 

[Poem]

#3.822

 

[arthwollipot]

How far do you want to take this? Am I free to self-identify as five years older than I am? Or the same younger?

Why do they always pivot to age when arguing self-identity? What a stupid argument.

Poem, this is irrelevant. Age is not something that ancient dead people decided was a moral characteristic.

 

[Helen]

#3.822

What is that supposed to mean? I read that post, and replied. If you didn't like my reply, just repeating yourself by referring to that post is not going to help.

 

[Poem]

Why do they always pivot to age when arguing self-identity? What a stupid argument.

Poem, this is irrelevant. Age is not something that ancient dead people decided was a moral characteristic.

You could have just addressed the question. Is it okay or not?

 

[Poem]

The above to anyone?

 

[arthwollipot]

You could have just addressed the question. Is it okay or not?

I deny the premise of your question.

 

[Poem]

I deny the premise of your question.

No, you are avoiding the question. What is the premise you deny?

 

[Poem]

That objective age is a reality?

 

[Lithrael]

Do you think Pornhub (Aylo) should face crippling financial liabilities?

I think all companies that thumb their noses at regulations that are in place to curb exploitation, pollution, etc etc should face the sorts of fines etc that would make them think about changing how they do things.

The pornhub thing looks to me like the company was failing to put in the work to figure out how to stop people from making sock puppet accounts (to evade bans for sharing illegal content) rather than wait for the sock's content to get flagged, reviewed, and re-banned.

As someone else said upthread, competent moderation isn't impossible, but it's an expense. When it comes to media platforms, they'd all be happy to do as little moderation as they can right up to the point it affects their bottom line, either through serious fines etc, or through driving people off the platform when it becomes unusable for the typical visitor and they start to lose buisness. And so, in practice, they can get away with doing the barest of bare bone moderation.

So yes I think underenforcement is a problem, but I think it's a universal problem. Last time I saw a hosting company actually change it was because media giants were mad about their IP being shared on major popular file hosting sites. Regulations on the books - all of them, every industry - are largely toothless, amounting to slapped wrists even for killing people, and that's bad and that won't change as long as money talks.

As long as Meta, X etc's lobbyists keep the teeth out of hosting laws, Aylo will never get bitten very hard.

 

[arthwollipot]

No, you are avoiding the question. What is the premise you deny?

That age is a moral quality decided upon by our ancestors. It is an invalid analogy.

 

[Poem]

That age is a moral quality decided upon by our ancestors. It is an invalid analogy.

I didn't ask that question. Many of our ancestors permitted polygamy (think polygyny), but now it's only permitted (with restricts) in some Muslim countries (there will be exceptions, I'm sure).

I asked you: Am I free to self-identify as five years (let's say X years) older than I am? Or the same younger?

You are uncomfortable with this question aren't you? It has implications that relate directly to the thread and you know that.

 

[Poem]

Last time I saw a hosting company actually change it was because media giants were mad about their IP being shared on major popular file hosting sites.

L, could you clarify highlighted please?

 

[Poem]

Online porn showing choking to be made illegal, government says

Possession and publication of such material will be a criminal offence, under amendments to the Crime and Policing Bill.

www.bbc.co.uk

Andrea Simon, director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition, described the amendments as "a vital step" towards tackling the normalisation of violence in online content.

"There is no such thing as safe strangulation; women cannot consent to the long-term harm it can cause, including impaired cognitive functioning and memory," she said.

"Its widespread portrayal in porn is fuelling dangerous behaviours, particularly among young people."

 

[Poem]

It follows a review which found depictions of choking were "rife" on mainstream porn sites and had helped normalise the act among young people.

 

[arthwollipot]

You are uncomfortable with this question aren't you? It has implications that relate directly to the thread and you know that.

I'm not at all uncomfortable with the question. It's just completely stupid. You were the one who brought up self-identity, not me.

But since you insist on hanging on to this irrelevancy for dear life, no. Identifying as a different age is not the same thing as identifying as a gender different from the one you were assigned at birth. It is an inappropriate analogy. The only way it could be remotely relevant is if you persist in the profoundly unscientific delusion that gender is fixed and biological, and to go into that more in this thread would be very, very, very off topic and I will report you in a nanosecond if you do.

It's as profoundly stupid as that guy who claimed to identify as an attack helicopter. It does you no service.

Now, the interesting part of your response:

I didn't ask that question. Many of our ancestors permitted polygamy (think polygyny), but now it's only permitted (with restricts) in some Muslim countries (there will be exceptions, I'm sure).

Polygyny in these countries is deeply tied to a cultural misogyny that once again is a rule decided upon by dead people long ago, proving my point even further.

In theory there is absolutely nothing wrong with polygamy, polygyny, or polyandry, as long as all involved have given their informed consent to the arrangement. In practice, it carries a lot of cultural baggage.

Andrea Simon, director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition, described the amendments as "a vital step" towards tackling the normalisation of violence in online content.

"There is no such thing as safe strangulation; women cannot consent to the long-term harm it can cause, including impaired cognitive functioning and memory," she said.

"Its widespread portrayal in porn is fuelling dangerous behaviours, particularly among young people."

Do you think that when an actor in porn puts their hand on another actor's throat, that actor is actually, genuinely being choked? Even moreso, do you think it should be illegal for an actor to be depicted strangling another actor in a non-porn film?

 

[Poem]

I'm not at all uncomfortable with the question. It's just completely stupid. You were the one who brought up self-identity, not me.

You brought up gender.

But since you insist on hanging on to this irrelevancy for dear life, no.

You made that up; since when is repeatedly asking an unanswered question such?

Identifying as a different age is not the same thing as identifying as a gender different from the one you were assigned at birth. It is an inappropriate analogy. The only way it could be remotely relevant is if you persist in the profoundly unscientific delusion that gender is fixed and biological, and to go into that more in this thread would be very, very, very off topic and I will report you in a nanosecond if you do.

You keep wanting to frame my question in the context of gender. I asked a straightforward question, but you still haven't answered.

Where did I assert that gender is fixed and biological?

It's as profoundly stupid as that guy who claimed to identify as an attack helicopter. It does you no service.

Now, the interesting part of your response:

Polygyny in these countries is deeply tied to a cultural misogyny that once again is a rule decided upon by dead people long ago, proving my point even further.

I think we might agree regarding misogyny in this respect.

In theory there is absolutely nothing wrong with polygamy, polygyny, or polyandry, as long as all involved have given their informed consent to the arrangement. In practice, it carries a lot of cultural baggage.

What is noteworthy (and something which I have spoken of elsewhere) is the Biblical inconsistency regarding polygamy.

Do you think that when an actor in porn puts their hand on another actor's throat, that actor is actually, genuinely being choked?

Real or not, what matters is that we know that choking / strangulation has been normalised.

Even moreso, do you think it should be illegal for an actor to be depicted strangling another actor in a non-porn film?

I have already dealt with the false analogy of comparing porn with movies.

 

[arthwollipot]

You brought up gender.

As one example out of several.

You made that up; since when is repeatedly asking an unanswered question such?

When the reason for the lack of answer (its irrelevancy) is ignored.

You keep wanting to frame my question in the context of gender. I asked a straightforward question, but you still haven't answered.

I just did, in the very post you quoted.

Where did I assert that gender is fixed and biological?

You didn't, explicitly, but that is literally the only context in which I have seen the "self-identify as a different age" argument raised, so I think most would agree that my assumption is warranted.

I think we might agree regarding misogyny in this respect.

Yes.

What is noteworthy (and something which I have spoken of elsewhere) is the Biblical inconsistency regarding polygamy.

And why should we give a ◊◊◊◊ what the Bible says, right?

Real or not, what matters is that we know that choking / strangulation has been normalised.

Your argument is firmly based in the idea that people will act out what they see in movies. In porn, "choking" scenes are not only simulated, they are obviously simulated. You can see them breathing while being "choked". It's no more real than in any other movie.

I have already dealt with the false analogy of comparing porn with movies.

You have not. You have only argued that "it's different because reasons! *hand wave*".