Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Darat]

According to Darat, I could end up in prison if I did watch it. He is wrong though.

In any case, who should we believe regarding the extent of the problem? I've quoted from those who work (or worked) in the industry - Dillon Rice and Tracey Sweet. There have been others. If you think this is a small issue then the onus is on you.

Nope - not wrong - showed you the primary sources. Water and horses and all.

 

[arthwollipot]

Commitment, whether it be merely spoken or in a marriage ceremony, is difficult for us humans. And porn will only exacerbate that.

That has not been demonstrated.

What I really object to is the title of this thread. There is little evidence to suggest that watching porn leads to an increase in rape. So calling what we live in a rape society false.

I think that was established on page 2 of the thread.

There is lots of porn with the school girl trope. 30 year old women in school girl uniforms.

School girl costumes.

 

[Poem]

Nope - not wrong - showed you the primary sources. Water and horses and all.

“Legislation has existed for many years to protect the public from violent and abusive pornographic content offline, but online the law has not kept pace,” Kaplinsky (president of the BBFC) said.

The new pornography taskforce will propose legislation this autumn aimed at banning a type of “barely legal” content produced by the porn star Bonnie Blue, the Guardian has learned.

Gabby Bertin - UK independent lead reviewer on regulating online pornography:
Violent, harmful, and misogynistic pornographic content (known in this Review as ‘legal but harmful pornography’) is common on mainstream platforms that host pornography. Under the extreme (illegal) pornography offence this content does not meet the ‘illegal’ threshold, however, it would be refused classification by the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) in the ‘offline’ world. This means that if this content was distributed in physical form (for example, in DVDs), the person supplying the material would face criminal charges, including a prison sentence of up to two years under the Video Recordings Act 1984.

A citation from a legal expert that challenges these quotes would be of interest. Do you have one? Specifically, I am asking for the citation of legislation that could successfully lead to a prosecution of online content such that further legislation is not required. (I recognise you have some degree of knowledge of the BBFC in the case you cited.)

 

[Poem]

BBFC seeks to extend its monitoring role to include online pornography (The Guardian 24th June 2025):
A government spokesperson said that the recent decision to ban pornography depicting acts of strangulation came in response to Bertin’s review, adding: “Violence against women and girls is a national emergency, which is why our government is committed to halving it within a decade. Tackling extreme pornography is a vital part of this mission.”

 

[Poem]

In the UK, you can watch barely legal content that depicts adult actors portrayed as children (underage looking with suggestive props etc). It is legal content. The porn taskforce is intending to make it illegal in the Crime and Policing Bill later this year.

 

[Poem]

The US, in making such content legal in 2002/3, is possibly the most egregious instance of the facilitation of depravity in modern history. The UK, in continuing to allow such material remains equally culpable.

Porn is a Pandora's Box. Take what you want and pay for it.

 

[arthwollipot]

You're getting desperate.

 

[Helen]

The US, in making such content legal in 2002/3, is possibly the most egregious instance of the facilitation of depravity in modern history. The UK, in continuing to allow such material remains equally culpable.

Porn is a Pandora's Box. Take what you want and pay for it.

And this particular Pandora's box has been open for at least as long as we have existed.

 

[acbytesla]

The US, in making such content legal in 2002/3, is possibly the most egregious instance of the facilitation of depravity in modern history. The UK, in continuing to allow such material remains equally culpable.

Porn is a Pandora's Box. Take what you want and pay for it.

You're getting desperate.

That is so funny.

Depravity?
What the hell does that mean?
What exactly is depraved?
And more importantly, who decides what is depraved?

Depravity means actions that are sinfully corrupt. Sin is an offense against God. So we're now back to Christian theology.

I've asked Poem time and time again to demonstrate that porn is harmful to the people that are watching it. And not once has he even attempted to do that. Because I don't give a damn about offending a made up being in Poem's mind.

 

[Poem]

And this particular Pandora's box has been open for at least as long as we have existed.

The average youth / adult has had access to 24/7 rule 34 content (or it's real life equivalent) for as long as we have existed?

I do think you are right to point out there has always been a problem.

 

[Helen]

The average youth / adult has had access to 24/7 rule 34 content (or it's real life equivalent) for as long as we have existed?

I do think you are right to point out there has always been a problem.

Oh, the youth of yesteryear had every bit as much access to the real thing, and depictions/descriptions thereof, as the youth of today have to internet porn, if not more And no, I don't think it's the really troubling thing about the access to media kids have today. Nor do I think you have proved anything, except the fact that you and some othe people are troubled by it, but that no one, except for you, are calling for a ban on all porn.

I don't watch porn. I am a feminist. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[Poem]

Oh, the youth of yesteryear had every bit as much access to the real thing, and depictions/descriptions thereof, as the youth of today have to internet porn, if not more

I don't see how that is possible.

And no, I don't think it's the really troubling thing about the access to media kids have today. Nor do I think you have proved anything, except the fact that you and some othe people are troubled by it, but that no one, except for you, are calling for a ban on all porn.

Religious folk will be calling for a ban (even whilst consuming it...and we know they are); some radical feminists will be too.

They'll be others.

I don't watch porn. I am a feminist.

Perhaps you could explain why? The objectification of women?

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Ok.

 

[Helen]

You should read some history; . Imagine what went on in the real world up here in northern Scandinavia, for instance, where most kids lived in one room houses, and slept together with their parents. They saw their many siblings being made. Seeing the actual act was commonplace, and for most if our history, privacy has been a luxury, and sex just another part of life. Depictions have been an important part of many religions; fertility has been if the utmost importance, and at the centre of many rituals.

I don't mind porn; I'm just not into the visual kind. And I really don't care if others call for a total ban, it won't happen - whether we like it or not, pornography ia part of who we are as a species.

 

[acbytesla]

You should read some history; . Imagine what went on in the real world up here in northern Scandinavia, for instance, where most kids lived in one room houses, and slept together with their parents. They saw their many siblings being made. Seeing the actual act was commonplace, and for most if our history, privacy has been a luxury, and sex just another part of life. Depictions have been an important part of many religions; fertility has been if the utmost importance, and at the centre of many rituals.

I don't mind porn; I'm just not into the visual kind. And I really don't care if others call for a total ban, it won't happen - whether we like it or not, pornography ia part of who we are as a species.

I don't think pornography leads to rape, a breakdown in society, or anything moderately bad. I don't think teenagers or children are impacted negatively when they see pornography. The problem, if there is a problem is the adults in their life inability to talk to their children. They don't know how to handle natural conversations about sex and sexuality without "freaking out," or injecting their own prudish and uptight attitudes about sex.

I have challenged Poem over and over to present good evidence of the negative effects that porn has on society, but he never has. Instead he presents biased sources.

 

[Helen]

I don't think pornography leads to rape, a breakdown in society, or anything moderately bad. I don't think teenagers or children are impacted negatively when they see pornography. The problem, if there is a problem is the adults in their life inability to talk to their children. They don't know how to handle natural conversations about sex and sexuality without "freaking out," or injecting their own prudish and uptight attitudes about sex.

I have challenged Poem over and over to present good evidence of the negative effects that porn has on society, but he never has. Instead he presents biased sources.

I think society has improved since I was young uoung in fact. And in my experience (which is not vast, but sadly not non-existent), young children show no interest in porn at all; they don't understand it, so they just ignore it. If they are interested, that's a warning sign that they may have been abused.

 

[acbytesla]

7I think society has improved since I was young. And in my experience (which is not vast, but sadly not non-existent), young children show no interest in porn at all; they don't understand it, so they just ignore it. If they are interested, that's a warning sign that they may have been abused.

I think so too. But I still know very backwards adults.

The problem is what is meant by "young children" I know I wasn't interested in porn or sex until I was maybe 14. (Early 1970s) I was probably a little curious about the differences between boys and girls before then. I remember looking at lots of dirty magazines at a much earlier age. But it wasn't sexuality. It was curiosity. It was also the forbiddeness of it.

Anyway I remember this incident when I was about 12. We use to play with the neighbor girl who lived next door. She was a bit of a tomboy. Anyways, one day, Me, and 2 other boys, and her somehow got naked. We never touched each other. We just sat around naked together.

Somehow, the parents of all of us found out. All of a sudden I was in trouble. Now my parents were not the kind of parents you could talk to. My father regularly spanked me and my brothers with his belt. I loved my mother, but was truly terrified of my father. My parents sat me down and asked me about it. Asked what happened. Now, knowing my father who would beat you harder and longer if he caught you in a lie, so I went with the truth. Besides, it sounded as if they already knew what happened.

I was shocked when my parents didnt punish me. Because I expected a beating. But they didn't. They told me to ask them if I had any questions. (Fat chance of that, it was hard to trust them to be reasonable.) Nevertheless they were understanding. Sadly, the girl's parents went nuts on her. Apparently, spanked her extremely hard and forbade her from having anything to do with us 3 boys. (We still talked though at school.) But they truly traumatized her.

I can't help but think there was some serious misogyny going on.

 

[arthwollipot]

So many hot topics today, from gender identity to polyamory to marriage to porn can be described as folks waking up to the reality that all our social rules were written by dead people long before any of us got here, and that we are free to re-write them.

 

[acbytesla]

So many hot topics today, from gender identity to polyamory to marriage to porn can be described as folks waking up to the reality that all our social rules were written by dead people long before any of us got here, and that we are free to re-write them.

Amen!

To think so much of Western cultural morality is based on the morality of bronze age primitive tribes. That preached stoning gays and women that had premarital or extramarital sex. That it was OK to stone to death an unruly child. Or own human beings as property.

 

[Poem]

So many hot topics today, from gender identity to polyamory to marriage to porn can be described as folks waking up to the reality that all our social rules were written by dead people long before any of us got here, and that we are free to re-write them.

How far do you want to take this? Am I free to self-identify as five years older than I am? Or the same younger?

 

[Poem]

You should read some history; . Imagine what went on in the real world up here in northern Scandinavia, for instance, where most kids lived in one room houses, and slept together with their parents. They saw their many siblings being made. Seeing the actual act was commonplace, and for most if our history, privacy has been a luxury, and sex just another part of life. Depictions have been an important part of many religions; fertility has been if the utmost importance, and at the centre of many rituals.

Nobody here is going to take seriously what anyone just imagines. Sure, children would have seen more then in that respect compared to today. The notion that your post proves your:

Oh, the youth of yesteryear had every bit as much access to the real thing, and depictions/descriptions thereof, as the youth of today have to internet porn, if not more

is false.

I don't mind porn; I'm just not into the visual kind.

You say you don't mind it - but you must know that a lot of porn is misogynistic and violent? You must know that there is huge market for underage looking porn (porn that actively gives the impression of such youth through the use of props etc)?

Our kids are watching this stuff. (Yes, I know you aren't too bothered about that.)

And I really don't care if others call for a total ban, it won't happen - whether we like it or not, pornography ia part of who we are as a species.

So is slavery.

Radical feminists have a lot to say on the harms of porn.