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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
Which content?
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Darat said:
I'm totally confused: why are you pointing me to porn that is already illegal in the UK as porn that needs to be banned?
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was in response to:

The documentary also includes footage of Tia Billinger, whose stage name is Bonnie Blue, in a classroom preparing to film an orgy with a group of models dressed in school uniform; the performers acknowledge that they have been selected because they look very young.
 
Channel 4 state this regarding the Bonnie Blue documentary:

Strong language, full frontal nudity, graphic scenes of a sexual nature and content which may offend some viewers. This programme is not suitable for younger viewers. By clicking play you confirm you are over 18...

The Guardian states:
The policing minister, Diana Johnson, said last week that she would discuss the ease with which children could access the documentary on Channel 4’s website with ministerial colleagues. Channel 4 requires users to be 16 to register an account, but there is no age-verification process, so children could lie about their age.

Twenty-first century UK allowing kids to watching this content...
 
arthwollipot said:
You seriously misunderstand the nature of polyamorous relationships. But that's okay because most people do. I'm happy to enlighten you. Any day you learn something is a good day, right?

Specifically, your use of the phrase "none of A's concern" is the problem. In a polyamorous relationship, everything is everybody's "concern". What is done is done with consent. In your hypothetical, B is free to watch porn and have sex with other people if and only if A consents to it. And vice versa, according to the agreement that A and B have between them. You see, polyamory requires free and open communication between all involved. You can't be in a poly relationship if you are not actively consulting with all parties before doing anything sexual. Which is true of all kinds of relationships as it turns out.

Polyamory is not a free for all. Polyamory is an agreement made between consenting adults. The exact nature of the agreement can and does vary greatly, but it does not and can not work if there isn't an explicitly stated agreement in place. Any new developments must be added to the agreement before any activity can take place.

You got better when you crossed out "you" and replaced it with "them" though. The plural pronoun. If there is a poly group, what they do within the bounds of their relationship is nobody's business but theirs.
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I thought I made things clear with: but let's assume just a couple for the moment - and call them A & B

I wasn't referring to a polyamorous relationship - rather, just a traditional couple to keep things simple. Anyway, you have cleared up what I was querying.

Of course, pornographers don't give a damn about any 'agreements' in relationships (polyamorous or otherwise). Their only concern is grabbing your attention and as much of your money as they can. The proliferation of porn is a threat to relationship stability. That won't be the case for every relationship - but works as a generalisation. There are some here that have talked nonspecifically about the harms of porn. I think this fits such concerns.

No you don't have to be religious to warn about the dangers of porn on society and in particular on relationships / marriage.
 
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dirtywick said:
oh ok. then i guess i don’t know why you’re asking darat about bertin’s motives
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It's Darat that is questioning the integrity of her, the porn taskforce and the BBFC etc.
 
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dirtywick said:
no, darat didn't do that.
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Darat said:
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The idea being put forward is that for all porn to be legal to be viewed in the UK it must be certified by the BBFC and each producer of porn would have to submit each and every porn film to the BBFC prior to it being released, otherwise it would be illegal to be viewed in the UK.

It is a very crafty bit of via the backdoor wholesale removal of most porn for UK based folk.
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Darat will CMIIW.
 
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Poem said:
Yes you have....crafty and by the backdoor.
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I think I know what my own words mean. You may have read into my words that I was "questioning the integrity of her, the porn taskforce and the BBFC etc." however I have now told you I wasn't. Your understanding of my words was in error, I'm happy to correct you on that.
 
Darat said:
I think I know what my own words mean. You may have read into my words that I was "questioning the integrity of her, the porn taskforce and the BBFC etc." however I have now told you I wasn't. Your understanding of my words was in error, I'm happy to correct you on that.
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Your position remains confusing to me. It might help if you respond to #3,742 first.
 
Poem said:
Channel 4 state this regarding the Bonnie Blue documentary:

Strong language, full frontal nudity, graphic scenes of a sexual nature and content which may offend some viewers. This programme is not suitable for younger viewers. By clicking play you confirm you are over 18...

The Guardian states:
The policing minister, Diana Johnson, said last week that she would discuss the ease with which children could access the documentary on Channel 4’s website with ministerial colleagues. Channel 4 requires users to be 16 to register an account, but there is no age-verification process, so children could lie about their age.

Twenty-first century UK allowing kids to watching this content...
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There is no porn in that documentary.
 
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Darat said:
There is no porn in that documentary.
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You appear to keep reaching for the rose-coloured glasses on this issue - especially when it's the UK's integrity on the line. As uncomfortable as you might find it, the UK continues to allow kids to watch porn - all sorts of extreme porn including material that features actors looking like children.
 
Poem said:
Of course, pornographers don't give a damn about any 'agreements' in relationships (polyamorous or otherwise). Their only concern is grabbing your attention and as much of your money as they can. The proliferation of porn is a threat to relationship stability. That won't be the case for every relationship - but works as a generalisation. There are some here that have talked nonspecifically about the harms of porn. I think this fits such concerns.
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You still haven't demonstrated that porn is actually a threat to relationship stability. You have asserted it.

Poem said:
Yes you have....crafty and by the backdoor.
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And you claim that you haven't watched any porn.
 
arthwollipot said:
You still haven't demonstrated that porn is actually a threat to relationship stability. You have asserted it.
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You don't think it is a threat? Seriously? You don't think a husband is tempted away from his wife by watching 24/7 porn?

Onus is on you Art.
arthwollipot said:
And you claim that you haven't watched any porn.
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A. No I didn't (FWIW: I said I have seen porn - a long time ago - and that I don't watch porn now).
B. What has that to do with what was being discussed?
 
Poem said:
You don't think it is a threat? Seriously? You don't think a husband is tempted away from his wife by watching 24/7 porn?
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First, I didn't say that I don't think it's a threat. I said that you haven't demonstrated that it is. Second, seriously, nobody watches or is even capable of watching porn 24/7. Third, I deny your assumption of matrimonormativity.
Poem said:
A. No I didn't (FWIW: I said I have seen porn - a long time ago - and that I don't watch porn now).
B. What has that to do with what was being discussed?
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It was a crude joke based on your use of the term backdoor. Not too surprised that you didn't get it, but I'm sure someone did.
 
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