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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
I must have missed it - can you quote the actual part you are referring to.
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www.theguardian.com

UK pornography taskforce to propose banning ‘barely legal’ content after Channel 4 documentary airs

Programme about performer Bonnie Blue condemned for ‘glamorising and normalising’ extreme pornography
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The documentary also includes footage of Tia Billinger, whose stage name is Bonnie Blue, in a classroom preparing to film an orgy with a group of models dressed in school uniform; the performers acknowledge that they have been selected because they look very young.

More examples: #3,604
 
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Poem said:
www.theguardian.com

UK pornography taskforce to propose banning ‘barely legal’ content after Channel 4 documentary airs

Programme about performer Bonnie Blue condemned for ‘glamorising and normalising’ extreme pornography
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The documentary also includes footage of Tia Billinger, whose stage name is Bonnie Blue, in a classroom preparing to film an orgy with a group of models dressed in school uniform; the performers acknowledge that they have been selected because they look very young.

More examples: #3,604
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I'm totally confused: why are you pointing me to porn that is already illegal in the UK as porn that needs to be banned?
 
Darat said:
I'm totally confused: why are you pointing me to porn that is already illegal in the UK as porn that needs to be banned?
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You are averring that this material is unavailable in the UK? If it is unavailable, why is the taskforce attempting to ban it?
 
Poem said:
You are averring that this material is unavailable in the UK? If it is unavailable, why is the taskforce attempting to ban it?
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I am saying that watching such material in the UK is illegal and you could face up to 10 years in prison and an unlimited fine and be put on the sex offenders register for doing so. (The same for producing it and for distributing it.)

ETA: And since that according to you doesn't stop it why would the lack of a BBFC certificate mark be any different?
 
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Darat said:
I am saying that watching such material in the UK is illegal and you could face up to 10 years in prison and an unlimited fine and be put on the sex offenders register for doing so. (The same for producing it and for distributing it.)
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Present evidence to the thread that explicitly states that (the above) - evidence that contradicts the status quo outlined in that Guardian article that it currently is not banned which is why the taskforce is intending to ban it in the future.
 
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For those that don't know about the BBFC and the regulatory framework in the UK. The BBFC is a private company that you have to pay to certify some media, such as content on Blueray discs for sale or what is shown in cinemas. Without such a certification it is illegal to show certain content publicly or make it commercially available. They can force cuts on the material to obtain a certification. The BBFC is funded by having people submit and pay for certification (it is a not-for-profit company). There is also certification that a local authority can issue or rate a movie (for instance) differently to the BBFC, this is why the Life of Brian was banned in Aberystwyth despite it being certified by the BBFC for almost 30 years.

The idea being put forward is that for all porn to be legal to be viewed in the UK it must be certified by the BBFC and each producer of porn would have to submit each and every porn film to the BBFC prior to it being released, otherwise it would be illegal to be viewed in the UK.

It is a very crafty bit of via the backdoor wholesale removal of most porn for UK based folk.
 
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Poem said:
Present evidence to the thread that explicitly states that (the above) - evidence that contradicts the status quo outlined in that Guardian article that it currently is not banned which is why the taskforce is intending to ban it in the future.
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I have presented "the thread" with the primary sources i.e. the legislation that makes such porn currently illegal in the UK. That is the primary source, your "examples" are not primary sources. As they say you cannot make the horse drink the water.
 
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Darat said:
For those that don't know about the BBFC and the regulatory framework in the UK. The BBFC is a private company that you have to pay to certify some media, such as content on Blueray discs for sale or what is shown in cinemas. Without such a certification it is illegal to show certain content publicly or make it commercially available. They can force cuts on the material to obtain a certification. The BBFC is funded by having people submit and pay for certification (it is a not-for-profit company). There is also certification that a local authority can issue or rate a movie (for instance) differently to the BBFC, this is why the Life of Brian was banned in Aberystwyth despite it being certified by the BBFC for almost 30 years.

The idea being put forward is that for all porn to be legal to be viewed in the UK it must be certified by the BBFC and each producer of porn would have to submit each and every porn film to the BBFC prior to it being released, othgerwise it would be illegal to be viewed in the UK.

It is a very crafty bit of via the backdoor wholesale removal of most porn for UK based folk.
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That'll be banned as well.
 
Darat said:
For those that don't know about the BBFC and the regulatory framework in the UK. The BBFC is a private company that you have to pay to certify some media, such as content on Blueray discs for sale or what is shown in cinemas. Without such a certification it is illegal to show certain content publicly or make it commercially available. They can force cuts on the material to obtain a certification. The BBFC is funded by having people submit and pay for certification (it is a not-for-profit company). There is also certification that a local authority can issue or rate a movie (for instance) differently to the BBFC, this is why the Life of Brian was banned in Aberystwyth despite it being certified by the BBFC for almost 30 years.

The idea being put forward is that for all porn to be legal to be viewed in the UK it must be certified by the BBFC and each producer of porn would have to submit each and every porn film to the BBFC prior to it being released, otherwise it would be illegal to be viewed in the UK.

It is a very crafty bit of via the backdoor wholesale removal of most porn for UK based folk.
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Conspiracy theory.
 
Darat suggests the UK porn taskforce is a conspiracy to ban most content here.
 
Poem said:
Sorry, but for me, allowing and facilitating the showing of porn to kids is societal depravity on an unprecedented scale. We ban porn at the very least until it can be shown that children are safe from it.
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That sounds expensive to enforce effectively. Have you got an estimate yet of how much it will cost to ban porn? For example, have you budgeted for the huge increase in the size of the legal system and prison population to prosecute and punish transgressors of the PPB (Poem Porn Ban)?
Poem said:
And on this forum you have acknowledge the de facto slippery slope we are on at the other end of the scale. You have talked about the algorithm that encourages extreme content.

I'll go with issues at the other end. I mean, after all, nobody, by banning porn, is banning sexual pleasure are they?
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Have you ever watched or read any porn that you enjoyed?

If you masturbate, are your thoughts pornographic?

Are all the fantasies you use to reach orgasm something you want to happen in real life, or can you separate the two?
 
I hate to be the 'I'm different' guy cause I can see how the 'always getting more extreme' thing probably happens to people, but I've got a pretty hard limit on the stuff I like where it flips from 'that's hot' to 'omg, no thanks, that doesn't even look fun' and it hasn't moved since.. ever, really. For that matter, there's stuff that's fun to read/imagine that doesn't work on film cause it honestly just doesn't look fun in real life.

It might just be personal incredulity at work but I think that's why I have such a hard time with this 'leads to stuff in real life!' argument. It seems to me that those happen when pop culture gives inexperienced people the wrong idea and they don't have a realistic baseline to compare it to (like the early thread stuff about guys springing Fifty Shades stuff on dates thinking their partners would like it. Exacerbated by the 'surprise! bdsm!' framing in the movies.)

If mitigating that means 'no choking or slapping in general porn ads/promos' that's an amount of regulation I'd be fine with.

Now I'm picturing a mandated banner crawl on nasty porn that reads 'most women don't like this'
 
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Poem said:
Darat suggests the UK porn taskforce is a conspiracy to ban most content here.
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No I don't. There is no conspiracy or rather no more than likeminded folk agreeing on something can be described as a conspiracy. And there is no secrecy in this - you yourself have posted them saying this.
 
Poem said:
Your conspiracy theory:

and when asked to back it up, you can't.
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Do you really need your posts posted back to you? Don't you read your own posts?

Poem said:
They don't know? Perhaps you should email them and disabuse them of the need for the following -

Crime and Policing Bill (April 2025):
This amendment, tabled by Jess Asato MP, would extend content regulations that already exist for pornography distributed offline to pornography distributed online. This amendment is necessary to ensure what is illegal offline is illegal online and thereby combat the proliferation of violence against women in online pornography.

The sexualisation of children
3. The current laws regulating pornographic content do not go far enough to protect adults and children from the harms of pornography.

4. Since 1984, legislation has existed to specifically prohibit offline content that the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) would find unsuitable for classification, including in the R18 category, on videos, DVDs and Blu-Ray. This includes pornographic content which depicts illegal activity such as rape or incest, and any material that is potentially harmful, for example because it depicts and/or promotes child sexual abuse, trafficking, or violent sexual acts.

5. There is no equivalent standard to the BBFC’s regulation for online pornographic content as the internet has evolved largely without regulatory oversight.
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The current "content regulations that already exist for pornography distributed offline" is the BBFC certification. It even tells you that later on in your quote: " Since 1984, legislation has existed to specifically prohibit offline content that the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) would find unsuitable for classification"

What did do you think they are proposing?
 
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