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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
And you did not address that, in the UK there is legal or illegal pornography, there is no "barely legal" nor "barely illegal" category.
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I cited Barnardos and The Guardian and you haven't cited anything that rebuts that. If I / they are wrong then prove it.
 
Poem said:
I didn't mention 3 year olds.
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You quoted "Consumers viewed, downloaded, and further distributed this illegal content millions of times, often without knowing it was CSAM or NCM."

What do you think most CSAM consists of? You are doing one of the things that I think is a form of sanitisation of paedophilia. Have a look at what Ian Watkins who was recently murdered in jail was found guilty of. It is not having sex with teenagers who have gone through puberty it is sexually assaulting babies, toddlers and pre-pubescent children.
 
Poem said:
I cited Barnardos and The Guardian and you haven't cited anything that rebuts that. If I / they are wrong then prove it.
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And? There was nothing relevant in what you posted to my point, which is there is no such thing in the UK as "barely legal" pornography, there is legal and illegal pornography.
 
Darat said:
And? There was nothing relevant in what you posted to my point, which is there is no such thing in the UK as "barely legal" pornography, there is legal and illegal pornography.
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The quote from The Guardian:
However, other forms of harmful pornography that are regulated offline (in cinemas, for example) are not subject to similar restrictions online. This regulatory anomaly means adults role-playing as children to create pornography that appears close to child sexual abuse imagery is not prohibited online.

Is such material prohibited in cinemas in the UK? Did The Guardian get that wrong?
 
Poem said:
See above. According to Michael Sheath, it's happening a lot.
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This guy? The guy with two papers from 1990 and 1991, four with 0 views, and one inexplicably in Chinese?

Poem said:
You talked previously about trust - so I'll ask you (without reference to anyone you know - so purely hypothetical): would you be happy leaving children in the care of someone you knew had a taste for barely legal (adult actors looking like children) porn?
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Poem said:
However, other forms of harmful pornography that are regulated offline (in cinemas, for example) are not subject to similar restrictions online. This regulatory anomaly means adults role-playing as children to create pornography that appears close to child sexual abuse imagery is not prohibited online.
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Are you asking whether it should be illegal for an adult actor to portray a person younger than 18? It's done all the time. I believe I've cited many mainstream movies and TV shows where actors who are older than 18 portray people younger than 18. Sometimes they're even portrayed doing illegal acts. But it's fiction so it isn't illegal.

In legal porn, no children are being abused. If they were, it wouldn't be legal. QED.
 
arthwollipot said:
This guy? The guy with two papers from 1990 and 1991, four with 0 views, and one inexplicably in Chinese?




Are you asking whether it should be illegal for an adult actor to portray a person younger than 18? It's done all the time. I believe I've cited many mainstream movies and TV shows where actors who are older than 18 portray people younger than 18. Sometimes they're even portrayed doing illegal acts. But it's fiction so it isn't illegal.

In legal porn, no children are being abused. If they were, it wouldn't be legal. QED.
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They wouldn't be children either.

Also, both TV And movie productions prefer to cast adults to play teenagers since there are laws that limit their time on set. Alan Ruck was 29, Jennifer Grey was 26, Matthew Broderick was 24. Only Mia Sara was a teenager and she was 18. Only Mila Kunis was under 18 when That 70s show began filming.
 
theprestige said:
That's not what "barely legal" means.

It means adult actors looking like they recently became adults.
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Dillon Rice (senior script writer at MindGeek (in 2023 at least)): For the ads - the dudes that do the most conversion rates are guys that look 15.

 
arthwollipot said:
This guy? The guy with two papers from 1990 and 1991, four with 0 views, and one inexplicably in Chinese?
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If you want to make a point please go ahead.
arthwollipot said:
Are you asking whether it should be illegal for an adult actor to portray a person younger than 18? It's done all the time. I believe I've cited many mainstream movies and TV shows where actors who are older than 18 portray people younger than 18. Sometimes they're even portrayed doing illegal acts. But it's fiction so it isn't illegal.

In legal porn, no children are being abused. If they were, it wouldn't be legal. QED.
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I'm not finding a substantive point here either.
 
Poem said:
I'm not finding a substantive point here either.
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How about here?

theprestige said:
That's not what "barely legal" means.

It means adult actors looking like they recently became adults.
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Nobody is watching "barely legal" porn thinking they're intending to portray children. They're watching "barely legal" porn thinking they're intending to portray 18+ year olds. That's why they are literally marked 18+. Here is a screenshot, no link, from a site that isn't PornHub but which does have a robust system of tagging, to show what they do now:

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They do this now because of the 2020 rulings that you love to think didn't change anything. Every time the word "teen" is mentioned it is appended with "18+". PornHub does it too. They all do this now to make sure that nobody can possibly think that they're intending to portray people who are underage.
 
arthwollipot said:
How about here?


Nobody is watching "barely legal" porn thinking they're intending to portray children. They're watching "barely legal" porn thinking they're intending to portray 18+ year olds. That's why they are literally marked 18+. Here is a screenshot, no link, from a site that isn't PornHub but which does have a robust system of tagging, to show what they do now:

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They do this now because of the 2020 rulings that you love to think didn't change anything. Every time the word "teen" is mentioned it is appended with "18+". PornHub does it too. They all do this now to make sure that nobody can possibly think that they're intending to portray people who are underage.
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From someone who describes Pornhub as reputable and law-abiding.

Incredibly naive.
 
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Poem said:
The quote from The Guardian:
However, other forms of harmful pornography that are regulated offline (in cinemas, for example) are not subject to similar restrictions online. This regulatory anomaly means
adults role-playing as children to create pornography that appears close to child sexual abuse imagery is not prohibited online.

Is such material prohibited in cinemas in the UK? Did The Guardian get that wrong?
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It is there because it is legal pornography. If it looks like it was actual children - no matter the age of the performers - it is illegal in the UK.
 
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Poem said:
https://www.worcester.ac.uk/about/profiles/michael-sheath
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The same bloke - from the website you linked to:

Recent Publications​

  • Author of a play, now a book, ‘Crossing the Line’, ( Aspect Design, 2022) which deals with the traumas caused by online and offline sexual abuse. It includes perspectives from the partner of a man who viewed indecent images of children, the detective who investigated that crime, the offender, his daughter, and a mother whose child was abused to provide the images. The book is now a set text on the University College Dublin Forensic Computer Examiners’ course.
  • Written various articles on the treatment and management of sexual offenders and am the author of a chapter of a book ‘Constructing stories, telling tales: A guide to formulation in Applied Psychology’, Ed S Corrie, D Lane, Routledge, 2010. This deals with case formulation in cases of suspected intra familial sexual abuse.
 
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