Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

[Hercules56]

Then I will. A simple Google search shows that violence and abuse does not have to be physical in nature.

Domestic Violence Is Physical, Mental, and More: 6 Examples

When discussing domestic violence, many people immediately think about physical abuse. But domestic violence can take many forms — not just physical.

www.healthline.com

4. Non-physical forms of violence

Section

www.aph.gov.au

Types of Abuse | Safe Steps Family Violence Response Centre

Family violence often involves multiple types of abuse. Learn about different examples of abusive behaviour and what to do if you are experiencing them.

safesteps.org.au

Forms of family violence | Safe and Equal

Learn about the many different forms family and gender-based violence can take; including, but not limited to, physical abuse.

safeandequal.org.au

Words Hurt - Non-Physical Abuse is Still Abuse - DGB Lawyers

“Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me”. It’s an old and well-known saying, but is it really true? In reality, violence and

www.dgblaw.com.au

12 Types of Emotional Abuse That Aren't Physical Violence — The Therapy Group

Domestic violence can also be emotional & psychological, but is often minimized because it did not cause physical harm. Read on for 12 types of emotional abuse.

www.thetherapygroup.com

Types of domestic and family violence

The different types of domestic and family violence.

fullstop.org.au

Most of these are Australian because that's what Google defaults to for me. It also shows a lot of information about domestic violence because that's the situation that sees nonphysical forms of violence a lot. But it still applies.

According to the preeminent authority on the English language, the Oxford English Dictionary, violence always involves physical force or at least the threat of physical force. Encyclopedia Britannica agrees, as does Merriam-Webster's dictionary.

 

[Hercules56]

Oh, and I missed this:


It is 100% possible to completely prevent it within 500' of abortion service providers, where it counts more than it does elsewhere. Only under your "free speech everywhere" regime is it 100% impossible to prevent.

A 500' exclusion zone banning protest near a abortion clinic, does not prevent harassment.

It only strongly discourages it.

 

[Hercules56]

The women in the abortion clinic don't want to hear the voices. 150 metres (not 500 feet) seems a reasonable compromise.

I dont want to hear honking horns, but sometimes I just have to deal with it.

They are annoying and offensive but sometimes you just put on your big girl pants, your big girl hat, act like a woman and deal.

 

[Hercules56]

No, they aren't...

Sure they are, which is why you guys created the 500' exclusion zone.

To create a disincentive to harassing women at abortion clinics.

 

[Steve]

A 500' exclusion zone banning protest near a abortion clinic, does not prevent harassment.

It only strongly discourages it.

Are you disagreeing with someone here? Because that is what almost every poster has been trying to tell you since day one. Glad you now realize it, even if you think it is your own original thought.

 

[Hercules56]

Are you disagreeing with someone here? Because that is what almost every poster has been trying to tell you since day one. Glad you now realize it, even if you think it is your own original thought.

Kool.

 

[Steve]

Kool.

So /thread now that you understand the purpose and function of the restricted zone and agree that it is functioning well? Seems to be nothing left to discuss.

 

[Hercules56]

So /thread now that you understand the purpose and function of the restricted zone and agree that it is functioning well? Seems to be nothing left to discuss.

I have no idea if its functioning, at all.

 

[Helen]

Sure they are, which is why you guys created the 500' exclusion zone.

To create a disincentive to harassing women at abortion clinics.

You guys? There are no exclusion zones where I am. Nor are there any protests against abortions. We don't even have abortion clinics.

 

[Helen]

I dont want to hear honking horns, but sometimes I just have to deal with it.

They are annoying and offensive but sometimes you just put on your big girl pants, your big girl hat, act like a woman and deal.

And sometimes you have to ensure that potentially vulnerable people are not targeted and preyed on for very murky reasons. But you guys aren't very good at that, are you?

 

[Thermal]

《Nvm, it seems I butt posted, for what may be my first time. Poetic that my butt demanded freedom of speech ITT》

 

[Hercules56]

You guys? There are no exclusion zones where I am. Nor are there any protests against abortions. We don't even have abortion clinics.

Your country has no abortion clinics?

 

[Steve]

I have no idea if its functioning, at all.

Yet you say

"A 500' exclusion zone banning protest near a abortion clinic, does not prevent harassment.
It only strongly discourages it."

 

[Hercules56]

Yet you say

"A 500' exclusion zone banning protest near a abortion clinic, does not prevent harassment.
It only strongly discourages it."

Yes, and I stand by that 100%.

Just as laws against murder do not prevent murder, they only strongly discourage them. But if you're set on killing someone no law against it will stop you.

 

[Steve]

Yes, and I stand by that 100%.

Just as laws against murder do not prevent murder, they only strongly discourage them. But if you're set on killing someone no law against it will stop you.

Then you do have a good idea that it is in fact functioning. And again you are agreeing with all other posters here.

 

[Helen]

Your country has no abortion clinics?

That’s right.

 

[Mojo]

Women are people?

Well I never.

Just to make that clear, the police administrate such areas but it was the legislative that created them, i.e. our elected MPs, if that legislation is in breach of our freedom of expression the courts would make that decision.

Although, of course, the right wing wish to deprive the courts of that power.

 

[Mojo]

A 500' exclusion zone banning protest near a abortion clinic, does not prevent harassment.

It only strongly discourages it.

It prevent it happening at the abortion clinic.

 

[Steve]

It prevent it happening at the abortion clinic.

I assumed Hercules56 meant "does not prevent it by those determined to break the law". Which is unfortunately true. It does prevent it by anyone possessing a modicum of civility.

 

[Hercules56]

And the criminal penalties are in place and being used (as you would know from the op ) . Criminal penalties that allow the authorities to act before any person is subject to harassment and abuse, thus supporting your (sometimes) stated opinion that this harassment and abuse should not happen. Criminal penalties that were put in place because, absent the restriction zone, the prior criminal penalties alone proved insufficient disincentive to prevent the harassment and abuse. So now strong criminal penalties are in place and largely working as intended, and as you want, and you are complaining about it .

What were the previous criminal penalties before the 500 mile exclusion zone?