Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

[Hercules56]

I think the big issue here is that Freedom of Speech means one thing in the USA and another thing in the UK.

In the USA, Freedom of Speech means you can say whatever you want, however you want it, with the most minimal amount of government interference.

Permits may be required for protests, but as long as your speech itself does not threaten immediate and clear harm to another person, the govt needs to mind its own business.

In the UK, seems Freedom of Speech can and is often limited by how said speech affects the feelings of the person the speech targets.

In the USA we say that your rights end where my nose begins, I guess in the UK your rights ends where my feelings begin.

The UKians may feel that this logic helps to protect and maintain a more civil society, but I think its really just authoritarianism in sheep's clothing, and that wolf may soon remove his costume.

 

[smartcooky]

So can you really go to prison for misgendering someone in the UK?

Yes. If you can be arrested for it you can end up in jail.

You can also be suspended for from job for calling male "He".

https://archive.is/20250406194458/h...e-called-transgender-paedophile-mr-suspended/

Peggie v NHS Fife - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ex-police officer wins appeal over force’s guidance on hate incidents

Judge rules Humberside’s actions were ‘disproportionate interference’ with right to freedom of expression

www.theguardian.com

The last one, of course, it s victory for free speech, but it came at a cost

THE PROCESS IS THE PUNISHMENT

 

[smartcooky]

In the USA we say that your rights end where my nose begins, I guess in the UK your rights ends where my feelings begin.

Pretty much sums it up. Hurty words are not allowed.

 

[Hercules56]

Yes. If you can be arrested for it you can end up in jail.

You can also be suspended for from job for calling male "He".

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Peggie v NHS Fife - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ex-police officer wins appeal over force’s guidance on hate incidents

Judge rules Humberside’s actions were ‘disproportionate interference’ with right to freedom of expression

www.theguardian.com

Yes, many municipalities in the USA also call for suspension and other penalties if your repeatedly "misgender" a co-worker.

Its a problem.

 

[smartcooky]

Was that before or after being doused with a banana and salted caramel milkshake prompted him to complain that his opponents had become radicalised?

Well, it must have been after he flirted with the Hitler Youth when he was younger... amirite?

David Lammy backtracks on Farage Hitler Youth claim

The deputy prime minister says he is "happy to clarify" comments he made about the Reform UK leader.

www.bbc.com

 

[Hercules56]

Well, it must have been after he flirted with the Hitler Youth when he was younger... amirite?

David Lammy backtracks on Farage Hitler Youth claim

The deputy prime minister says he is "happy to clarify" comments he made about the Reform UK leader.

www.bbc.com

Is there no powerful Liberal group in the UK that takes fighting for Freedom of Speech very seriously?

We have the ACLU and they are very influential.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Was that before or after being doused with a banana and salted caramel milkshake prompted him to complain that his opponents had become radicalised?

Oh before.

 

[Thermal]

So does the Legislative Branch.

The Judicial might have an opinion.

 

[Thermal]

Yes, many municipalities in the USA also call for suspension and other penalties if your repeatedly "misgender" a co-worker.

Its a problem.

Intentionally and repeatedly being a dick to your coworkers is indeed a problem. People should be able to go to work without being subject to sexual harassment, and if you insist on sexually harassing them, a penalty seems appropriate.

 

[Hercules56]

Intentionally and repeatedly being a dick to your coworkers is indeed a problem. People should be able to go to work without being subject to sexual harassment, and if you insist on sexually harassing them, a penalty seems appropriate.

If I had a trans coworker who's new chosen name was Susan, but I think she is really still a he, and therefore choose to refer to Susan as "Susan" rather than she/her/they/Miss/Mrs/Madam, I should NOT lose my job or be suspended for this.

Not my fault Susan is suffering from gender dysphoria but I shouldn't be forced to change how I talk in order to enable it, OR be penalized for refusing to enable mental illness created confusion and fantasy.

 

[Darat]

In the USA you can be sacked for wearing orange clothing, in the UK you can’t.

 

[Hercules56]

In the USA you can be sacked for wearing orange clothing, in the UK you can’t.

No, you cannot be prosecuted for wearing orange clothes.

 

[Thermal]

If I had a trans coworker who's new chosen name was Susan, but I think she is really still a he, and therefore choose to refer to Susan as "Susan" rather than she/her/they/Miss/Mrs/Madam, I should NOT lose my job or be suspended for this.

Agreed. That is not misgendering, or anything else inappropriate. It might indicate that you are still wrestling with the concept of pronouns, but whatevs.

Not my fault Susan is suffering from gender dysphoria

No one suggests anything is your fault, or whether or not Susan has been diagnosed with GD, but again, whatevs.

but I shouldn't be forced to change how I talk in order to enable it, OR be penalized for refusing to enable mental illness created confusion and fantasy.

Absolutely. Why, I shouldn't be stopped from calling women the C word in the workplace. Why should they force me to change how I talk? The C word is a common term of endearment in many English speaking... ahem... countries, yeah?

 

[Darat]

No, you cannot be prosecuted for wearing orange clothes.

I said sacked.

 

[theprestige]

The Judicial might have an opinion.

As far as I'm aware, either (a) nobody has asked the Judiciary whether the US government can designate domestic terrorists, or (b) someone asked, and the Judiciary said yes, of course they can.

 

[lionking]

This thread keeps giving. We have citizens of the US here bemoaning the lack of freedoms to speech and other things in the UK when, as we speak, US citizens are being dragged off the streets with no warrant and due cause, handcuffed and imprisoned for being not white.

No doubt I will get a response “But Trump, different”, which is utter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

Get your own house in order before criticising others yanks.

 

[Thermal]

Re: being sacked for wearing orange clothes. Darat is right. In an at-will state in the USA, you can be fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, as long as the reason is not illegal.

 

[Thermal]

As far as I'm aware, either (a) nobody has asked the Judiciary whether the US government can designate domestic terrorists, or (b) someone asked, and the Judiciary said yes, of course they can.

Which is why I said they might have an opinion. Mostly I was just trying out a judicial/opinion gag to see how it felt.

 

[Hercules56]

Re: being sacked for wearing orange clothes. Darat is right. In an at-will state in the USA, you can be fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, as long as the reason is not illegal.

We are talking about government censorship and prosecution.

Not what private businesses do.

 

[Hercules56]

As far as I'm aware, either (a) nobody has asked the Judiciary whether the US government can designate domestic terrorists, or (b) someone asked, and the Judiciary said yes, of course they can.

There is no official designation in the USA of "domestic terrorist group".

Trump said it, but he made it up and its fake.