General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

The experts tasked with identifying a genocide anywhere have declared Gaza a Genocide.
By ignoring their assessment you deny science itself for partisan reasons.
No rational honest person can disagree: this is an ongoing genocide.
 
Yes, my mistake. You're correct. It's an American site. But it's interesting that you're faulting me for posting one article from a site with a stated editorial position of justice for Palestinians, while a certain other poster posts link after link after link after link from Israel National News, the mouthpiece of Arutz Sheva, an organisation founded for the purpose of promoting religious Zionism, and which had its origin in an offshore pirate radio station that was shut down by the government.

I get criticised for one post while you say not a word - not one word - about the mountain of articles posted by the other guy, because you happen to agree with his position while you disagree with mine. This, to you, is reasonable?
 
I rarely, if ever, post links to I.N.N. opinion pieces.
My offerings from that source are News reports, containing recaps of events and factual details.
Hardly can be described as 'propaganda', unlike the choice you made using Mr. Plitnick's views.
Mitchell Plitnick is the president of ReThinking Foreign Policy. He is the co-author of Except for Palestine: The Limits of Progressive Politics and maintains the Cutting Through newsletter on Substack at mitchellplitnick.substack.com/.
Mitchell’s previous positions include vice president at the Foundation for Middle East Peace, Director of the U.S. Office of B’Tselem, and Co-Director of Jewish Voice for Peace.

For instance: my Posting 2848
Either the A7 article is accurate about what was said regarding housing unit increases, or it's not. This is black&white journalism, without embellishment or opinion, just the facts, bub.
 
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Who is going to monitor and judicate whether a violation of the ceasefire was from Hamas or one of the many groups armed by Israel to fight Hamas and steal aid?

www.theguardian.com

Israel-backed militia groups potentially threaten new peace plan for Gaza

Israeli military has been arming alternatives to Hamas, with up to a dozen new groups emerging
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Wonder whether Israel will insist that they will be disarmed (they won't), and how long it will take them to become Hamas 2.0 (not long).
 
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arthwollipot said:
Yes, my mistake. You're correct. It's an American site. But it's interesting that you're faulting me for posting one article from a site with a stated editorial position of justice for Palestinians, while a certain other poster posts link after link after link after link from Israel National News, the mouthpiece of Arutz Sheva, an organisation founded for the purpose of promoting religious Zionism, and which had its origin in an offshore pirate radio station that was shut down by the government.

I get criticised for one post while you say not a word - not one word - about the mountain of articles posted by the other guy, because you happen to agree with his position while you disagree with mine. This, to you, is reasonable?
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Is it reasonable for a number of posters in this thread to call for the destruction of Israel? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone seeking destruction of Palestine. Yes, defeat of Hamas, but not destruction of Palestine.
 
lionking said:
Is it reasonable for a number of posters in this thread to call for the destruction of Israel? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone seeking destruction of Palestine. Yes, defeat of Hamas, but not destruction of Palestine.
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I'd call Gaza pretty damn destructed right now.
 
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I'd call Gaza pretty damn destructed right now.
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Never got an answer to my query:

If the existing condition is named 'genocide' then what will it be called when the 'gloves come off' ?
Can someone please invent a new word to describe the next phase, when HAMAS refuses to go along with the program and the IDF increases actions? (genocide is considered the epitome of human evil and is often viewed as a unique and extreme atrocity).

BBC is reporting that HAMAS is not willing to accede with the 20-point-plan.
CBS is reporting that HAMAS is 'leaning towards' accepting it.
QATAR is saying the plan will need revisions, clarifications, adjustments.
Yvette is saying that if HAMAS rejects the plan, he calls on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to “declare clearly and unequivocally now - by not accepting Trump’s plan, HAMAS is forcing us to immediately close all crossings into Gaza. No humanitarian aid, no electricity, water, or fuel. Enough is enough.”

Yom Kippur begins, Israel shuts down.
Shalom.
 
Gaza is right back to where it was in 1949.
That is only fair, since the Palestinians are so intent on rolling the clock back to 1949 (with their claims of a State based on the 1949 Rhodes Ceasefire lines).

By the way, HAMAS is not going to agree with the USA.
Oh, I'm kinda confused about something -- I've seen news stories saying "21-point Plan" and others indicating "20-points" ---- so which is it?

Mahmoud Abbas's FATAH party says it welcomes the21-point peace plan unveiled by President Trump.​

 
lionking said:
Is it reasonable for a number of posters in this thread to call for the destruction of Israel? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone seeking destruction of Palestine. Yes, defeat of Hamas, but not destruction of Palestine.
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How about destruction of Gaza?
 
BREAKING NEWS: Israel's Naval blockade was enforced against the Pirates of the Mediterranean.

www.haaretz.com

Israel intercepts all but one Gaza aid boat, Global Sumud Flotilla says

Organizers Said They Hoped That the Global Sumud Flotilla's Boats Would Reach Gaza on Thursday, but the IDF Intercepted 39 of the 40 Boats Attempting to Breach the Naval Blockade. 'The Hamas-Sumud Passengers on Their Yachts Are Making Their Way to Israel,' the Foreign Ministry Said
www.haaretz.com www.haaretz.com
 
webfusion said:
BREAKING NEWS: Israel's Naval blockade was enforced against the Pirates of the Mediterranean.

www.haaretz.com

Israel intercepts all but one Gaza aid boat, Global Sumud Flotilla says

Organizers Said They Hoped That the Global Sumud Flotilla's Boats Would Reach Gaza on Thursday, but the IDF Intercepted 39 of the 40 Boats Attempting to Breach the Naval Blockade. 'The Hamas-Sumud Passengers on Their Yachts Are Making Their Way to Israel,' the Foreign Ministry Said
www.haaretz.com www.haaretz.com
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What evidence do you have that they were engaging in piracy?
 
"Piracy" because they chose to ignore the lawfully declared IDF maritime embargo during wartime.
Yes, it is illegal under international law to violate a blockade during wartime. A vessel that attempts to breach it is subject to military action by the blockading force.

And before you start with "Humanitarian Aid" being allowed to transit, keep in mind that all such cargo should be properly vetted and handled through Ashdod port. (the amount of aid carried on these sailboats is negligible, probably insufficient to feed one family for a week).

These pirates got exactly what they wanted, which is media attention.
This ridiculous event has concluded satisfactorily & everyone's safe.

The clock is ticking away for HAMAS.
My advice for Greta -- go find something else to do, after you are released from Israel's detention.
 
TGZ, you realize that the flotilla itself used more fuel and food just for their sea journey than they were going to "deliver"? Their goals had nothing to do with aid. So, in that respect, maybe they've succeeded.
Depends on how success is defined!

OK, so now there's no more 'aid flotilla' at all.
No more airlifts, either.
Hundreds of thousands of Arabs are sitting in southern Gaza, and Egypt is refusing them the opportunity to exit.

HAMAS has a few more hours on the clock.

Still looking for a word that describes a situation worse than genocide, since the word 'genocide' has already been worn out and devolved and reduced to a meme.

www.israelnationalnews.com

IDF retakes Netzarim Corridor

Defense Minister Israel Katz said the IDF’s recapture of the Netzarim Corridor cuts Gaza in two, isolating Hamas in Gaza City as operations press forward until hostages return.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com
 
webfusion said:
"Piracy" because they chose to ignore the lawfully declared IDF maritime embargo during wartime.
Yes, it is illegal under international law to violate a blockade during wartime....
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That's some real chutzpah to accuse others of war crimes, after Israel's genocide in Gaza. Especially on the Day of Atonement. You may need to throw some extra bread in the sea.

And no, its not illegal to violate an illegal and immoral blockade.
 
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webfusion said:
TGZ, you realize that the flotilla itself used more fuel and food just for their sea journey than they were going to "deliver"? Their goals had nothing to do with aid. So, in that respect, maybe they've succeeded.
Depends on how success is defined!

OK, so now there's no more 'aid flotilla' at all.
No more airlifts, either.
Hundreds of thousands of Arabs are sitting in southern Gaza, and Egypt is refusing them the opportunity to exit...
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Liar.

The link you posted does NOT say that Egypt is refusing to allow Gazans to exit to Egypt, it says that they believe the rejection of the truce could lead to forced expulsion of Gazans to Egypt by Israel, and Egypt will not allow that to occur.
 
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