General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

lionking said:
However you like to label it, Fiji is travelling pretty well. Native Fijians government the country, while Fijian Indians run the economy. And the coexist quite satisfactorily.
Click to expand...
Thank goodness for the diplomatic, economic and military powerhouse known as Fiji.

:dl:
 
You seem to dislike the majority of members of Israel's Parliament, Herc.
Again, I note that you don't get a vote. Too bad, so sad.

Just because a nation is not a "powerhouse" on the world stage, doesn't make them a "second class country" that can be discriminated against, or ignored, or ridiculed.

Maybe Fiji wants to contribute their excellent bottled water to the Gazans? That is something nice, in the circumstances, and should be welcomed. I'm sure that Israel will provide assistance in distributing that water, just as Israel is providing all sorts of logistical and security contributions for more aid to enter.
There's no famine, there's no genocide, and there's no stopping in the pursuit of forcing Hamas to GTFO.

And in Gaza, armed local clans are also pushing back against Hamas control.
www.jpost.com

IDF Gaza push sparks clan revolt against Hamas | The Jerusalem Post

Local clans across Gaza are pushing back against Hamas control, forming understandings with the IDF and fighting in areas under pressure from Israel’s military offensive.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

The more I watch this unfold, the more I'm proud of IDF, and the more I know Palestinians will be unchained from the Hamas maniacs.
 
webfusion said:
You seem to dislike the majority of members of Israel's Parliament, Herc.
Click to expand...

If they are fascists, so be it.

webfusion said:
Again, I note that you don't get a vote. Too bad, so sad.

Just because a nation is not a "powerhouse" on the world stage, doesn't make them a "second class country" that can be discriminated against, or ignored, or ridiculed.
Click to expand...

Fiji can very easily be ignored and ridiculed. :)
 
Speaking about Belgium, this article popped up on my Doomscroll this morning.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Jews considering leaving Belgium due to rising antisemitism

An international conference against antisemitism focused on the spread of antisemitism within the judiciary, the media, politics and education.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com

We already know what's going on in France. And the UK.
Belgium, ditto.

Let me see if I understand your logic about Fiji:
It's deserving of ridicule. They can be ignored and not given any credit for their pro-Israel actions, because, well, why?

How about you initiate a tertiary boycott against Fiji? Let's see some keffiya-wrapped 'activists' go into supermarkets, and dump the Fiji brand water onto the floor.
 
Hercules56 said:
If they (n.b. - Israeli political representatives) are fascists, so be it.
Click to expand...

www.israelnationalnews.com

Over 1,000 housing units approved in Judea and Samaria

Hundreds of housing units and a new industrial zone in settlements were approved, and the Supreme Planning Council has advanced over 25,000 units since the start of the year.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com

Seems like a natural thing to expand communities, to create housing for larger families, to bring Jewish life into full bloom across the Land of Israel. The Israeli 'Supreme Planning Council' has advanced 25,129 housing units this year already, an all-time record.

www.ynetnews.com

Only a third of US Jews support Israel’s war in Gaza, survey shows

Survey reveals a stark divide: Only 31% of American Jews support Israel’s Gaza campaign, while growing numbers condemn it—and distrust US efforts to weaponize antisemitism for political gain; survey coincides with Sen. Bernie Sanders’ statement accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza
www.ynetnews.com www.ynetnews.com
 
webfusion said:
www.israelnationalnews.com

Over 1,000 housing units approved in Judea and Samaria

Hundreds of housing units and a new industrial zone in settlements were approved, and the Supreme Planning Council has advanced over 25,000 units since the start of the year.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com

Seems like a natural thing to expand communities, to create housing for larger families, to bring Jewish life into full bloom across the Land of Israel. The Israeli 'Supreme Planning Council' has advanced 25,129 housing units this year already, an all-time record.
Click to expand...
^^^^^^ racist fascists
 
arthwollipot said:
Except for war crimes and crimes against humanity. At least in civilised countries, anyway. Soldiers who commit war crimes are not lawful combatants.


One of those two governments decided to murder thousands of innocent civilians, starve the entire population, force them out of their homes, and bomb their schools and hospitals to rubble. What was the ratio of Palestinians vs Israelis killed? Do you even know?

It's 56:1.

56 Palestinians for every Israeli killed since the massacre began in October 2023. Most of the Israelis killed were on October 7th. The Palestinian corpse count includes over 19,000 children.

This, to you, is just?
Click to expand...
And that's the confirmed kills. The ratio is likely to be five or six times higher if not more.

And that's only counting the casualties in this round of the genocide, which has been going on since 1948.
 
Arthwollipot, when it comes to tertiary boycotts (refusing to do business with companies that do business with Israel) the BDS is quite virulent regarding their pursuit of non-Israeli firms. (See: Sabra hummus, a PepsiCo brand).
If the decision is made to go after Fiji and protest their opening an embassy in Jerusalem, the most visible product is the water with the name Fiji. You think it matters if there's no connection whatsoever with the nation of Fiji? Irrelevant.
BDS is all about optics. And propaganda.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

This one is for Hercules56 (he could have written it himself) ---

www.jpost.com

Golan says Israeli gov't must listen to Diaspora Jews | The Jerusalem Post

To end the war in Gaza and bring the hostages home, Israelis need the support, solidarity, and partnership of Diaspora Jewry
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
 
www.theguardian.com

Civilians made up 15 of every 16 people killed by Israel in Gaza since March, data suggests

Report from independent conflict tracker Acled indicates one of the highest civilian death rates since start of war
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Tell me again that this is just.

The Israeli offensive in Gaza has killed more than 65,000 people, mostly civilians, and injured more than 160,000 since 7 October 2023. Swathes of the territory have been reduced to ruin, and almost 90% of homes damaged. Health services have collapsed and expert UN-backed monitors declared famine in the north last month.
Click to expand...
 
arthwollipot said:
www.theguardian.com

Civilians made up 15 of every 16 people killed by Israel in Gaza since March, data suggests

Report from independent conflict tracker Acled indicates one of the highest civilian death rates since start of war
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Tell me again that this is just.
Click to expand...
Of course it's not just. There's a reason mingling soldiers and civilians is a war crime. You're just blaming the wrong party for the injustice. Once again, we see the world's enthusiasm for having Israel shoulder the burden of Hamas's moral failures.
 
theprestige said:
Of course it's not just. There's a reason mingling soldiers and civilians is a war crime. You're just blaming the wrong party for the injustice. Once again, we see the world's enthusiasm for having Israel shoulder the burden of Hamas's moral failures.
Click to expand...
Oh, so, like we should be blaming the rape victim for wearing provocative clothing.

Thanks for that.
 
theprestige said:
Of course it's not just. There's a reason mingling soldiers and civilians is a war crime. You're just blaming the wrong party for the injustice. Once again, we see the world's enthusiasm for having Israel shoulder the burden of Hamas's moral failures.
Click to expand...
Knowing there were soo many Hamas fighters mingling with civilians in the highly congested Gaza Strip, Israel should have allowed Gazans to leave and move to the West Bank. But Israel has made that almost impossible for many years.
 
theprestige said:
Hamas is the rapist, not the victim.
Click to expand...
Hamas isn't the one flattening everyone's houses.

The Acled report also found that incidents involving the demolition of buildings in Gaza had increased significantly since the renewal of hostilities in March, with 698 in the 15 months before, and 500 in the six months since. Many incidents involved more than one building, researchers said.
Click to expand...
(Ibid.)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom