Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Emily's Cat said:
No, it ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ isn't! Progressive rhetoric has twisted the term so far out from reality that it means nothing more than "isn't a progressive". It's absolutely insane. It's just as insane as tea partiers calling liberals communists - it distorts the meaning of the term beyond all recognition. All you're left with is "those people are evil, everyone should hate them, and they're so evil that violence against them is justified".

It's stupid, inflammatory, short-sighted, and childish.

FFS, do you WANT a civil war?
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Ok first off you need to settle the ◊◊◊◊ down.
Secondly, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER. You think I can't sit here for a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ week and point out all the similarities? From attacking and marginalizing minorities, attacking the trans community, scapegoating them? I could go on and on and on. You and your kind can go ahead and ignore what's right in front of your face but it does NOT mean that I have to play your game.

I'm calling a spade a spade. It's not up to anyone to stop pointing this out. It's up to modern conservatives to stop doing all the same ◊◊◊◊.
 
Segnosaur said:
Here is the problem...

It is easy to dismiss an extremist as "not representative" of a party as a whole. But in the case of the republicans, Trump (you know, the LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHO STILL HAS OVERWHEMING SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICANS) regularly uses negative rhetoric. He pardoned the Jan 6 terrorists (a signal that violence that he supports will be protected), implies "illegal immigrants from mexico are rapists" and claims that Haitians are eating dogs.

If a Trump supporter goes overboard and starts threatening minorities (or worse) it is easier to draw a direct line between the rhetoric of Trump and the actions of his supporters.
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I don't disagree, but the maga weirdoes and their leader, the fat clown, are also extremist. Maybe not on the same level as a murderer, but they should have their own party too---the anti-constitution party, and in order to join, you have to have an IQ of less that 2, but as always, that's just my opinion.

Your mileage may vary of course.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
We are going to destroy the organised terrorist networks.

Stephen Miller: “We are going to channel all the anger we have over the organized campaign to led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks … The organized doxxing campaigns. The organized riots. The organized street violence. The organized of dehumanization. Vilification. Posting people’s addresses. Combining that with messaging designed to trigger and incite violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God and as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967644960917778911
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Miller wants the right to arrest themselves. Madness.
 
Emily's Cat said:
"Oh, it wasn't good to say... but really they're super duper evil"

If you tell everyone, especially youth, for over a decade that those people are evil nazis who want to kill us all, and we need to stop it, what the ◊◊◊◊ do you think is going to happen?
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I'm sorry but there are a lot of wannabe Nazis who support Trump, AND HE EMBRACES THEM RATHER THAN DISOWNING THEM. And he's trying to enact deeply antidemocratic and unconstitutional changes.
 
NM156 said:
Ok first off you need to settle the ◊◊◊◊ down.
Secondly, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER. You think I can't sit here for a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ week and point out all the similarities? From attacking and marginalizing minorities, attacking the trans community, scapegoating them? I could go on and on and on. You and your kind can go ahead and ignore what's right in front of your face but it does NOT mean that I have to play your game.

I'm calling a spade a spade. It's not up to anyone to stop pointing this out. It's up to modern conservatives to stop doing all the same ◊◊◊◊.
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It's just another form of whataboutism, really. They're the ones with the inflammatory rhetoric, but they are doing a half-assed attempt at making it seem like it's the other side. The classic 'why are you so intolerant' rhetoric they always drag out when we point out racism, transphobia, etc.

I suppose it's convincing to the other members inside the cult. Or something.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's just another form of whataboutism, really. They're the ones with the inflammatory rhetoric, but they are doing a half-assed attempt at making it seem like it's the other side. The classic 'why are you so intolerant' rhetoric they always drag out when we point out racism, transphobia, etc.

I suppose it's convincing to the other members inside the cult. Or something.
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There are good people on both sides. It's just that people dressing as Klansmen or Pepe the frog, marching through Charlottesville are sometimes misunderstood.


jt512 said:
Not the point.
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I really struggle to understand what your point is, because it seems rather silly and even before any information came out beyond the shooting anyone with even a superficial knowledge of infighting on the right would have been able to say that there were too many options for the shooter's motive.

"If I don't bother to inform myself about a subject, the inferences I draw about it don't have much weight"
 
jimbob said:
I'm sorry but there are a lot of wannabe Nazis who support Trump, AND HE EMBRACES THEM RATHER THAN DISOWNING THEM. And he's trying to enact deeply antidemocratic and unconstitutional changes.
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The Nazis weren't really Nazis, there were just lots of isolated incidents and Hitler was obviously just trolling.
 
Catching up on the past few pages, it seems the usual suspects are digging their heels in for the 'these obvious textbook fascists are not fascist after all because I think some people have overused the term, so now it doesn't apply to anyone'?

Trumpkins, you know... There's a reason why we keep calling you weird.
 
i try to be as accurate as possible when i refer to a nazi, white supremacist, fascist, etc. it’s difficult because the differences are pretty nuanced and the similarities are numerous.

now, if you’d show me the same grace in making those mistakes as you do when stephen miller calls for eradication of leftist thought based on crimes they aren’t responsible for that would be great
 
JayUtah said:
That's what I'm inclined to think until we have more evidence. Engraving doesn't just put pits into the metal. It raises the metal surrounding the engraving, and this can be felt with the finger. I wager someone that experienced with firearms would realize that might cause the rifle to jam.
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It has been my experience, that any cartridge that will chamber in a rifle, will readily extract after being fired. The high pressure will form the brass to the chamber, the tapered cartridge case will extract unless excessive pressure deformed the brass.

I would have to inspect any engraved cartridge to know more about how difficult it might be to chamber or extract.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm on the fence on this.
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Me too.
Emily's Cat said:
Over the past 50 years, more actual violence has been committed by right wing extremists than by left wing extremists. But the sentiment about the acceptability of political violence has been shifting over the past couple of decades, and shifting pretty significantly.
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When it comes to actual incidents, there's a question of how far back you should go. Any such statistics that include data from before the George Floyd / Covid riots are likely to be out of date; indeed, it could turn out that any statistics that include data before the killing of Charlie Kirk are already out of date. There is also the question of what the correct denominator should be—incidents? injuries? deaths?

In contrast, attitudes can be measured instantaneously—this poll, for example, which I quoted earlier, was taken after Kirk's murder—and can easily be tracked over time. The question of how well they predict behavior, however, is an open one. My guess, as I stated earlier, is that it they are a leading indicator.
Emily's Cat said:
Liberals (especially those who consider themselves very liberal) have a higher tolerance for political violence than conservatives do, and young people do as well. Given that those two cohorts have a very strong correlation, we're looking at about 1/4 of young liberals who believe that violence used to achieve political ends is justifiable.
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Based on the poll linked above, age and political ideology have independent effects on approval of political violence. Those aged 18–44 are about twice as likely to approve of political violence than those aged 45+ among both liberals (26% vs. 12%) and conservatives (7% vs. 4%). That's among all liberals and all conservatives. If "very liberals" were compared with "very conservatives," the age effect would be greater.
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

Charlie Kirk 'killer' 'wrote note saying he was going to take him out'

Robinson, 22, was taken into custody on Friday in connection with the assassination at Utah Valley University that shocked the world.
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more information on the case from kash patel on the killer, says they found a note. indicating that tyler robinson wanted to kill charlie kirk.

'We have since learned the note - even though it was destroyed - we have found forensic evidence of the note and we have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI.'

Patel did not clarify whether the message was handwritten or digital, or how it was recovered.
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lol

this guy is doing a great job.
 
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