Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Resume said:
If none of the other bull ◊◊◊◊ you've said and done hasn't gotten you in trouble, this quote will not.

Donald Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself and that includes all those morons sitting on the couch and all the morons watching him and nodding, but they do care about hurting those they hate.
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He couldn't care less about getting in to trouble, not that he couldn't care less about healing the country.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Trolls, feed, don't, etc.
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This is fascinating. I received similar comments on an atheist site some 20 years ago. I have differing perspectives on government. I have always thought the biggest picture was the State versus the Individual. A Reagan or Obama, for example, were little pictures. My late brother saw Trump as the biggest picture. In the history of our country. Different perspectives.

For me, the last president of historic significance was a Democrat from Missouri. 80 years ago. For international and younger members, his name was Harry Truman.
 
Andy_Ross said:
What happened to the Spec Ops, professional hitman, trained sniper?
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Turns out that's just a description of many (male) Utah teenagers.

Hell, we used to get days off from high school when deer hunting season came around every year. I don't know if they still do that, but hunting and rifles are deeply ingrained in the culture here. It's still not unusual to see rifles in the back windows of pickup trucks. And it's perfectly legal here.
 
plague311 said:
The point that's about to be proven is that we can do this all day. I can make a similar image of a bunch of nobodies on tik tok and twitter saying hateful ◊◊◊◊. They might be bots, they might be real people, they might be Russians, they might be anyone. That isn't "the left". It's "accounts on twitter" and it means nothing.

The President literally insulted Walz after the horrific killing of the House Speaker and her husband in Minnesota. Find me those from the left. Find me big names on the left wing that dismiss Kirk's murder. Just 1 single high ranking Democrat that uses this murder to insult another political figure.
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Many people on here, including you sometimes, have insisted that anyone who is a republican or even just an independent is just as bad as literal nazis. The assertion has been made that because some non-politician white supremacist ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ pieces of crap support the republican party, then anyone who doesn't actively and persistently denounce the republicans in their entirety is tacitly supporting racism. It's gone beyond that even, to where failure to sign up as a true-blue democrat somehow implies acceptance of it. I've lost track of how many times I've been told that me being non-partisan and distrusting politicians of every ilk, having a variety of positions some of which are conservative-ish but most of which are liberal means that I'm just as bad as the head honcho of the KKK.

If every single conservative in the US is tarnished beyond redemption by some entirely different ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ supporting republicans... then the same thing holds true for liberals. If conservatives can be demonized as an entire group for the vile beliefs of a small group, then liberals should also be at risk based on the vile and quite freely and unabashedly expressed abhorrent views of a small group of "accounts on twitter".
plague311 said:
Meanwhile, I can find you a thousand examples of right-wing politicians "declaring war" on the left since this happened.
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And I'm just as aghast at that, and the entire situation causes me a significant amount of concern.
 
zooterkin said:
I've been concerned by the number of posts on Facebook by Brits who not only know who Kirk was, but seem to regard him as a hero and, now, martyr. I'd not heard of him before he was shot.

It seems to be partly, though not entirely, a generational thing, with more knowledge among younger people (cf Andrew Tate, I suspect). He seems to be known also among Reform supporters, and is apparently regarded as a decent chap and reasoned debater.
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The second paragraph.

My 22 year old daughter had been more aware of him than I was. Saying that was his thing.

I had been aware of Turning Point USA and its British offshoot.
 
dann said:
Conducted Sep 11, 2025!!!
So on the day that MAGAts are being told by Trump and Republicans and are easily convinced that the 'radical left' are violent and that one of their own has been killed by them, fewer Reps than Dems think that violence is justified to achieve political goals.

Notice also the exact wording of the question: "Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals?"
How about for cops, soldiers or presidents? MAGA have been yelling for the 'radical left' as well as for Democrats to be made victims of regime violence because of Kirk's killing.
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Are you seriously defending this?

Young people also were much more supportive of Mangione assassinating Thompson.

Liberals were more supportive of Mangione assassinating Thompson

In First Poll Released Since Killing, Young Americans Favor Luigi Mangione over UnitedHealthcare & Slain CEO Brian Thompson – Center for Strategic Politics

stratpolitics.org stratpolitics.org
 
Olmstead said:
Where do you draw the line? If I were to create a movement that regards a certain class of people as subhumans, but don't directly call for violence, even though it's very obvious where this rhetoric will lead, is that still okay?
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You can say whatever you want. You can advocate for whatever you want, no matter how odious I find it to be. But I have the equal right to speak against your view, and to advocate in opposition to you.

You cannot, however, enact violence against people.
 
dirtywick said:
if this is a free speech issue, you must defend to the death their right to say they're happy about kirk's death as equally as you do kirk's right to say what he says.
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Sure. And I also have the right to say that I think they're vile and abhorrent people who completely lack the empathy that they claim to value. I have the right to express my concern that the normalization of such rhetoric it a significant danger to a democratic society.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Many people on here, including you sometimes, have insisted that anyone who is a republican or even just an independent is just as bad as literal nazis.
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Bull ◊◊◊◊. Link me to it. That's a lie and you know it. Absolute complete and total crap. I've called you out for claiming you're an "independent" when all you do is carry Trump's water. For example, *gestures broadly at your recent posts*
Emily's Cat said:
The assertion has been made that because some non-politician white supremacist ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ pieces of crap support the republican party, then anyone who doesn't actively and persistently denounce the republicans in their entirety is tacitly supporting racism.
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People who don't speak out against the terrible things the right-wing fringe is saying but always seem to find time to talk ◊◊◊◊ about the left, get labeled as people supporting the right. Yes. I'm glad you found a way to make this thread about you.
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It's gone beyond that even, to where failure to sign up as a true-blue democrat somehow implies acceptance of it.
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Hold on, my eyes rolled so hard I can't focus on the words. One sec.
Emily's Cat said:
I've lost track of how many times I've been told that me being non-partisan
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You aren't.
Emily's Cat said:
and distrusting politicians of every ilk,
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You don't.
Emily's Cat said:
having a variety of positions some of which are conservative-ish
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lol
Emily's Cat said:
but most of which are liberal
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mmhmm
Emily's Cat said:
means that I'm just as bad as the head honcho of the KKK.
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Sure. I'd love to see these posts. I mean, it's not like you're here, in this thread about a guy getting murdered, and somehow making it into a thread where you're the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ victim, right? You wouldn't do that.
Emily's Cat said:
If every single conservative in the US is tarnished beyond redemption by some entirely different ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ supporting republicans... then the same thing holds true for liberals.
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Cool, show me where that is happening. It's not, so you can't.
Emily's Cat said:
If conservatives can be demonized as an entire group for the vile beliefs of a small group,
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It's not a small group, that's my entire ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ point. You found a bunch of rando accounts on sky. I can link to prominent, senior members of the GOP, including the POTUS, calling the left all sorts of vile names. I can point to mouthpieces and tons of pundits, with millions of viewers on youtube, tiktok, etc. calling for all out war against the left. You show a bunch of spam accounts on sky and now you're comparing them as if they're equal? Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
Emily's Cat said:
then liberals should also be at risk based on the vile and quite freely and unabashedly expressed abhorrent views of a small group of "accounts on twitter".
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Lol whatever. This logic is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ridiculous. You don't even know if the people in your inane images are even liberal. You just found a spattering of random accounts wishing death on people and you're claiming they're liberal. You have nothing to back it up, it's bull ◊◊◊◊.
Emily's Cat said:
And I'm just as aghast at that, and the entire situation causes me a significant amount of concern.
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Cool, it happened 2 months ago and this seems to be the first time you've expressed such "significant amount of concern". It's Susan Collins all over again.
 
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dirtywick said:
not directed at anyone in particular.

although i think having the opinion that a particular bit of free speech is hate speech would be allowed under free speech, therefore you should defend to the death their right to declare certain bits of speech hate speech as well.
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You know that was kind of the foundational premise for the ACLU, don't you?
 
Emily's Cat said:
Are you seriously defending this?

Young people also were much more supportive of Mangione assassinating Thompson.

Liberals were more supportive of Mangione assassinating Thompson

In First Poll Released Since Killing, Young Americans Favor Luigi Mangione over UnitedHealthcare & Slain CEO Brian Thompson – Center for Strategic Politics

stratpolitics.org stratpolitics.org
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Defending what?
I'm criticizing your post.
 
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