Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

[dirtywick]

Thanks!

That makes a kind of sense.
However, I'm not sure how much logic plays into it. It could just be a question of tactics and opportunism.
I am also not sure that Trump's days are numbered because of the Epstein files since logic usually has very little to do with decisions made by MAGA adherents.

here’s sam hyde, another alt right influencer akin to fuentes. he is currently crashing out because trump didn’t seize control of the country after kirk’s murder. now they get find out it was one of their own lol

these guys are white supremacists that seem to have genuinely bought into trump to remake the world, and he’s not living up to his end of the deal. they’re not happy.

 

[jimbob]

Imagine shooting Kirk because one thought he wasn't enough of an arsehole

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Here is the empathetic, reasonable, moderate Kirk talking about Pelosi's husband.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965989121190670594

To be fair compared to Don Jr making jokes about a Paul Pelosi Halloween costume it's almost tasteful. Remind me again about how horribly unfeeling the 'leftists' are?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

According to GBNews Charlie Kirk never held a single racist or sexist view nor ever advocated for violence. There’s no evidence supporting that anywhere.

To say so is an "appalling slander about a man who was murdered by a radical leftist because of lies told like this one."

Disgusting.

The incinerator at the The Ministry of Truth is going to be well fed tonight. Tomorrow history will always have been very different.

 

[carlosy]

get ready for the other other 180deg turn when it is revealed that it is obviously a False Flag to discredit Fuentes.

Initiated by Biden!

 

[smartcooky]

Kash Patel's performance at the news conference reminded me of an acceptance speech at the Academy Awards.

Governor Cox came across as a serious statesman. Under difficult circumstances, he performed very well.

Cox said something like "Social media is a cancer on our society." I have to say some of the remarks I've seen in this thread support that statement.

Yes, Charlie Kirk was a prolific source of extreme rhetoric, and those who regard his rhetoric as hate speech are not entirely wrong. But he did not deserve to die. Kirk's assassin went beyond rhetoric, beyond hate speech. No one should excuse this murder.

IMO, there isn't any such thing as "hate speech", there's just speech some people hate because they disagree with it.

 

[johnny karate]

Donald Trump is handling the loss in the absolute most Donald Trump way possible.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com%2Fpost%2F3lynlwxpjf22r

As seen online: "The 3 stages of grief: denial, anger, ballroom".

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

IMO, there isn't any such thing as "hate speech", there's just speech some people hate because they disagree with it.

I don't class speech as hate speech just because I disagree with it. But there is speech that seems to serve no purpose other than to incite hate. One type of this that Kirk engaged in often is speech that incited hatred and fear toward groups of people because they are members of a group. The groups were put up like boogey men (I never know how to spell that) and he constantly fired up people to think these people were far more dangerous than they were (both legally and socially), and not just dangerous, evil. That's hate speech.

 

[Steve]

IMO, there isn't any such thing as "hate speech", there's just speech some people hate because they disagree with it.

Your opinion is astoundingly naive.

 

[Olmstead]

IMO, there isn't any such thing as "hate speech", there's just speech some people hate because they disagree with it.

What do you call speech that calls for violence on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.?

 

[Emily's Cat]

I'm very concerned that people hear about all the celebrations but never seem to check whether what they are hearing are indeed the facts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966064272552906996

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966125860903334215

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966228836615594212

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966256300167430551

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966384205837029496

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1966438635147792407

Polls Show Rising Number of Americans Justify Political Violence

On Wednesday, Turning Point USA president Charlie Kirk was assassinated on the grounds of Utah Valley University.

www.yahoo.com

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals? | Daily Question

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals?

today.yougov.com

On this last one, younger people are more likely to think that violence is justified to achieve political goals (20% of people age 18-29), as are Democrats (14% Dem, 13% Ind, 6% Rep).

You're not hearing it here, most ISF members are intelligent enough to keep their joy contained (although not all). But there's no lack of people on social media posting tik toks and tweets laughing and being happy about it.

 

[plague311]

I'm not really sure if this man comes from a conservative family or that he, himself, is conservative. I've read a few articles (one from CBS, one from another source I can't remember) that was referencing the father remembering a conversation the family had before all of this. The family talked about how Kirk was coming to town and the family discussed how they, as in the family, didn't support his views. I also checked out the picture claiming he dressed as Donald Trump, and all I could find was a picture of him standing behind, what appears to be, a green Trump inflatable thing. I definitely didn't look complimentary of Trump.

That being said, I don't care which side of the party he's on because this was a crazy thing to do. I am just skeptical of the claims that a) he's Mormon b) he's a Trump supporter and c) that he comes from a conservative family.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I don't class speech as hate speech just because I disagree with it. But there is speech that seems to serve no purpose other than to incite hate. One type of this that Kirk engaged in often is speech that incited hatred and fear toward groups of people because they are members of a group. The groups were put up like boogey men (I never know how to spell that) and he constantly fired up people to think these people were far more dangerous than they were (both legally and socially), and not just dangerous, evil. That's hate speech.

Your opinion is astoundingly naive.

These.

 

[Olmstead]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966064272552906996

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966125860903334215

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966228836615594212

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966256300167430551

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966384205837029496

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1966438635147792407

Polls Show Rising Number of Americans Justify Political Violence

On Wednesday, Turning Point USA president Charlie Kirk was assassinated on the grounds of Utah Valley University.

www.yahoo.com

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals? | Daily Question

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals?

today.yougov.com

On this last one, younger people are more likely to think that violence is justified to achieve political goals (20% of people age 18-29), as are Democrats (14% Dem, 13% Ind, 6% Rep).

You're not hearing it here, most ISF members are intelligent enough to keep their joy contained (although not all). But there's no lack of people on social media posting tik toks and tweets laughing and being happy about it.

If I told you that Republicans are to blame for this due to the hateful rhetoric of their mainstream politicians, would you take me seriously? Just wondering.

I don't mean that they deserve it, I mean that they actively pushed to create this world where such things are tolerated.

 

[Emily's Cat]

OK !

MK Ultra? really?

Come on now, Monica led off with a disclaimer indicating that it wasn't serious.

Total end -of - twig ,high octane speculation .

 

[plague311]

On this last one, younger people are more likely to think that violence is justified to achieve political goals (20% of people age 18-29), as are Democrats (14% Dem, 13% Ind, 6% Rep).

You're not hearing it here, most ISF members are intelligent enough to keep their joy contained (although not all). But there's no lack of people on social media posting tik toks and tweets laughing and being happy about it.

The point that's about to be proven is that we can do this all day. I can make a similar image of a bunch of nobodies on tik tok and twitter saying hateful ◊◊◊◊. They might be bots, they might be real people, they might be Russians, they might be anyone. That isn't "the left". It's "accounts on twitter" and it means nothing.

The President literally insulted Walz after the horrific killing of the House Speaker and her husband in Minnesota. Find me those from the left. Find me big names on the left wing that dismiss Kirk's murder. Just 1 single high ranking Democrat that uses this murder to insult another political figure.

Meanwhile, I can find you a thousand examples of right-wing politicians "declaring war" on the left since this happened.

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

OK !

MK Ultra? really?

May I share this scoff?

 

[carlosy]

Just because it aged so well:

@LauraLoomer
They sent a trained sniper to assassinate Charlie Kirk while he was sitting next to a table of hats that said 47.You could be next. I hate to say it, but I have a sick feeling we will be seeing more targeted assassination. The Left are terrorists.

Yes, they as in the people, you and your predecessors created. Congratulations!
Only that the sniper wasn't trained. Just one of the usual fanatic idiots you and yourselves produce probably on a daily basis.

 

[Resume]

Meanwhile, I can find you a thousand examples of right-wing politicians "declaring war" on the left since this happened.

Including Trump. Of course he'd already declated war on a couple of cities.

 

[smartcooky]

I don't class speech as hate speech just because I disagree with it. But there is speech that seems to serve no purpose other than to incite hate. One type of this that Kirk engaged in often is speech that incited hatred and fear toward groups of people because they are members of a group. The groups were put up like boogey men (I never know how to spell that) and he constantly fired up people to think these people were far more dangerous than they were (both legally and socially), and not just dangerous, evil. That's hate speech.

Your opinion is astoundingly naive.

What do you call speech that calls for violence on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.?

I didn't really know much about Kirk (I know a lot more about him now than I did before he was killed). I don't much care for a lot of his rhetoric, some of it was truly vile. But I also don't care that he said it. I believe Free Speech should be absolute so long as it does not directly incite criminal actions... you should be free to say what you like about classes of people, but not free to direct violence or murder against their members either individually or as a group. I'm not seeing anything among the vile stuff Kirk is quoted as having said that rises to the level of directing violence against any group. However, it seems that it was his rhetoric that got him killed....
And there's the problem. When society starts judging free speech as hate speech, it ultimately legitimizes the actions of people like the assassin. I think some of the posters in this thread believe he had it coming (even if they haven't publicly said that quiet part out loud). I find that more vile, more at odds with my beliefs than anything Kirk might have said. If anyone reading this truly believes Kirk deserved to be assassinated for his rhetoric, then know that I think you are a despicable and evil person.... but guess what? I will defend your right to believe it, and even to say it. I always will.