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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Seriously?

SWEDISH COASTGUARD: Chap over there, says his name is Heinz Schmidt from Germany.
FINNISH COASTGUARD: Right, I'll just make a note of that on my crib sheet.
SARCASTIC GUY: So you saw him. So you saw a guy about to dive down to the wreckage.
COASTGUARD: I don't know how, but I saw him!
So you think that the dive could be done by one guy?

I'm failing to understand what point you think you're making. If a dive boat stopped over the wreck of the Estonia it would be exceptionally obvious that a dive boat stopped over the wreck of the Estonia. Dive boats are pretty bloody obvious things.
 
Seriously?

SWEDISH COASTGUARD: Chap over there, says his name is Heinz Schmidt from Germany.
FINNISH COASTGUARD: Right, I'll just make a note of that on my crib sheet.
SARCASTIC GUY: So you saw him. So you saw a guy about to dive down to the wreckage.
COASTGUARD: I don't know how, but I saw him!
Are you ok? Really?
 
This is why, if you don't follow a post or understand the logic, instead of calling that person names, just ask for clarification instead of assuming the other person is a wrongdoer and loudly proclaiming it.
And when the responses to such repeated requests simply ignore or misinterpret the requests, we should consider possibilities other than a Simonton gap. Persons who ignore/misinterpret such requests might not really be as stupid as they appear. They might, for example, be desperate to deflect, or simply dishonest.

Whoooosh!
Indeed.
 
So you think that the dive could be done by one guy?

I'm failing to understand what point you think you're making. If a dive boat stopped over the wreck of the Estonia it would be exceptionally obvious that a dive boat stopped over the wreck of the Estonia. Dive boats are pretty bloody obvious things.
Your thesis is that it is enough to spot a boat over the Estonia to know that it is not a secret dive. No, the secrecy comes from what they are doing around the wreckage. That is the secret part.
 
They were literally whipped off the street aka kidnapped, with no due process. No-one knew where they were. The guy's lawyer eventually managed to track them down. In the UK, even the most heinous criminal due for deportation is entitled to have a hearing to argue their case and to be notified, and their families notified with a notice period, together with an indication of where they are being deported to. Your attempt to make out what Sweden did for the CIA as being in anyway normal or commonplace* is risible.

*(well, maybe it is now in Trump's USA)

The fact that you can recount all that stuff (yet again) is all the information you need to realise the fundamental difference between their case and the imaginary case of the Estonia's officers. It was known they were in Sweden. It was known they applied for asylum. They had a lawyer.

You're fixating on what similarities you see with the fairy story you want us to believe about the Estonia. Pause for a moment and consider the glaring differences.
 
Your thesis is that it is enough to spot a boat over the Estonia to know that it is not a secret dive. No, the secrecy comes from what they are doing around the wreckage. That is the secret part.
No. You claimed that there might be dives no one knows about. The point is that's impossible, a dive is very obvious because it involves a dive boat being over the wreck for an extended period of time.

Your claim that you could conduct a dive with no one knowing that you're conducting a dive is laughable. You can certainly argue that people don't know what your divers are doing on the wreck specifically, but covering up that you're diving at all? No.
 
No. You claimed that there might be dives no one knows about. The point is that's impossible, a dive is very obvious because it involves a dive boat being over the wreck for an extended period of time.

Your claim that you could conduct a dive with no one knowing that you're conducting a dive is laughable. You can certainly argue that people don't know what your divers are doing on the wreck specifically, but covering up that you're diving at all? No.
Not knowing who they are -other than papers to show they are from Germany - or what they are doing in their dive is as good as a secret dive. So you have a name. How does that help you?
 
Not knowing who they are -other than papers to show they are from Germany - or what they are doing in their dive is as good as a secret dive. So you have a name. How does that help you?
Again, that is not what you claimed. You claimed there might be dives "no one knows about".
Ipso facto dives nobody knows about remain unknown. But Bemis - under a German flag - observed tracks indicating activity which 'nobody knows about'.
See here. A dive no one knows about. That has a clear meaning. Again, people may not know what exact actions divers took, but they would know there was a dive taking place, meaning that they would not be dives no one knows about.

Your continual attempts to gaslight would be despicable but for how hilariously inept at it you are.
 
Again, that is not what you claimed. You claimed there might be dives "no one knows about".

See here. A dive no one knows about. That has a clear meaning. Again, people may not know what exact actions divers took, but they would know there was a dive taking place, meaning that they would not be dives no one knows about.

Your continual attempts to
gaslight would be despicable but for how hilariously inept at it you are.

Personally I'd call them 'Disturbing, borderline unhinged'.
 
Again, that is not what you claimed. You claimed there might be dives "no one knows about".

See here. A dive no one knows about. That has a clear meaning. Again, people may not know what exact actions divers took, but they would know there was a dive taking place, meaning that they would not be dives no one knows about.

Your continual attempts to gaslight would be despicable but for how hilariously inept at it you are.
The ONLY way you can turn up to do a dive is under a German flag in a German boat setting off from Germany, the nearest non-Treaty country. As it is not an OFFICIAL dive with a set PROJECT with aims, and detailed steps of why, how and where and what you hope to find it becomes an UNKNOWN, SECRET dive as far as the authorities are concerned. If you come from any of the other eight countries, you'll be chased out of the area WITHOUT ANY DIVE AT ALL. So, yes, those turning up under a German flag are secret unknown dives and nobody knows what they get up to around the wreckage. As I was saying to Axxman. But never mind.
 
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Again, that is not what you claimed. You claimed there might be dives "no one knows about".

See here. A dive no one knows about. That has a clear meaning. Again, people may not know what exact actions divers took, but they would know there was a dive taking place, meaning that they would not be dives no one knows about.

Your continual attempts to gaslight would be despicable but for how hilariously inept at it you are.
Oh right, so you as a coastguard see a dot on the horizon. Some guy claiming to be German. So you think you know all about his dive, what he did, where he went, and what he found.
 
For crying out loud Bemis, Rabe, Evertsson and Kurm were all 'secret' dive teams, which the coastguards could do nothing about! Axxman didn't believe anyone could go diving there, which is correct, but excludes teams ariving from Germany under a German flag. How is this 'once again' my fault if someone didn't follow the gist? Instead of asking for clarification, they jeer it is my fault they didn't get it.
It's not secret if some jackass is flying a flag...on a boat...in plain view...something someone who spouts claims of espionage skullduggery as much as you do SHOULD know...
 
Oh right, so you as a coastguard see a dot on the horizon. Some guy claiming to be German. So you think you know all about his dive, what he did, where he went, and what he found.
Not what is being claimed. Stop lying about what others say, it's pathetic.
 
It's not secret if some jackass is flying a flag...on a boat...in plain view...something someone who spouts claims of espionage skullduggery as much as you do SHOULD know...
Of course Vixens knowledge of espionage is not even zero, it's less than zero since she seems to have taken spy fiction tropes as gospel.
 

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