Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Linehan does appear to be a bit of a prick. But if that was a criminal offence we'd need a hell of a lot more prisons.
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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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Rolfe
Adult human female
It’s a complete disgrace to arrest people for their tweets unless they are explicitly inciting violence against specific people.
It made me a bit curious about whether Glinner has appeared on this forum before, and I discovered that I myself made a thread about him and when he was thrown off Twitter.
Here is one of the tweets…
So that latter part is interesting. When a guy was making videos teaching his dog to make Nazi salutes and was arrested, charged and prosecuted for it, whereas other comedians were aghast at jokes being criminalized, Glinner decided not to defend, but to condemn Meechan.
When Meechan pointed out that Glinner had himself made jokes about Nazis in Father Ted, Glinner responded with the pitiful argument that Meechan was not a proper comedian and therefore his jokes were NOT protected speech.
Graham Linehan on the art of the risky joke – and why the alt-right get it wrong
There’s a difference between transgressive comedy and hiding racism in plain sight argues the Father Ted comedianwww.radiotimes.com
Glinner apparently changed his mind when he began to fall foul of negative reactions to his own opinions.
I am a 100% in favour of Linehan’s freedom to say what he wants, and also for social media platforms to have their own terms of use, just as we do here at ISF. But unlike Linehan I am not a hypocrite who changes his mind opportunistically.
I don't have a particular remit to defend Graham Linehan, but it's not that uncommon for the scales to fall from someone's eyes when the issue begins to impact them personally. It's human nature. I don't see it as either hypocritical or opportunistic.
If Linehan is still criticising Meacher and defending his arrest and prosecution, I would agree with you. But so far as I know that is not the case.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Interesting, probably true, but all totally irrelevant to a video posted about Lyndsey Watson.It’s a complete disgrace to arrest people for their tweets unless they are explicitly inciting violence against specific people.
It made me a bit curious about whether Glinner has appeared on this forum before, and I discovered that I myself made a thread about him and when he was thrown off Twitter.
Here is one of the tweets…
So that latter part is interesting. When a guy was making videos teaching his dog to make Nazi salutes and was arrested, charged and prosecuted for it, whereas other comedians were aghast at jokes being criminalized, Glinner decided not to defend, but to condemn Meechan.
When Meechan pointed out that Glinner had himself made jokes about Nazis in Father Ted, Glinner responded with the pitiful argument that Meechan was not a proper comedian and therefore his jokes were NOT protected speech.
Graham Linehan on the art of the risky joke – and why the alt-right get it wrong
There’s a difference between transgressive comedy and hiding racism in plain sight argues the Father Ted comedianwww.radiotimes.com
Glinner apparently changed his mind when he began to fall foul of negative reactions to his own opinions.
I am a 100% in favour of Linehan’s freedom to say what he wants, and also for social media platforms to have their own terms of use, just as we do here at ISF. But unlike Linehan I am not a hypocrite who changes his mind opportunistically.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Indeed. People ought to be allowed to be as big a prick as they like on social media, with no legal consequences.
Posting some hurty words online should only ever be a civil matter, and the police should never be getting involved in any way. Instead, the offended party ought to be taking civil action rather than getting the police to do their work for them.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Why should they bother when the police have declared themselves to be the enforcement arm of the trans cult?
Rolfe
Adult human female
This is interesting. I don't know when it happened but the tweet is timed at late yesterday evening.
Four or five police officers are apparently arresting a man for an alleged public order offence. The offence? Calling "a member of the public" a muppet.
The audio is not especially clear on the pronouns, but the subtitles say first, "Called HIM a muppet," then, "caused THEM alarm and distress," then "SHE's very upset." Go figure.
Someone in the replies has linked to a two-year-old video where a police officer is threatening to arrest someone else for calling him a muppet.
I don't really care what sex the "victim" thinks they are, or how upset they are, nobody should be being arrested for calling someone a muppet. The police are arresting grown adults for playground taunts, it seems.
Four or five police officers are apparently arresting a man for an alleged public order offence. The offence? Calling "a member of the public" a muppet.
The audio is not especially clear on the pronouns, but the subtitles say first, "Called HIM a muppet," then, "caused THEM alarm and distress," then "SHE's very upset." Go figure.
Someone in the replies has linked to a two-year-old video where a police officer is threatening to arrest someone else for calling him a muppet.
I don't really care what sex the "victim" thinks they are, or how upset they are, nobody should be being arrested for calling someone a muppet. The police are arresting grown adults for playground taunts, it seems.
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angrysoba
Philosophile
Oh, and while we’re at it
It was posted as a response to the video of Toby Young saying Linehan wants to sue the police, not the later video.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
I can already imagine Julia Hartley-Brewer winding up for this one later this morning your time!!
ETA: Love this response in the comments...
*** Kermit voice *** "I hear you're a Nazi now Bert. How'd you get interested in that type of thing?"
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Rolfe
Adult human female
angrysoba
Philosophile
Yes, this is a problem across the board.
These things should not be criminalized, and the fact that they are more and more so in the UK is a problem, and this goes far beyond transgender issues.
For example, the UK government has decided to call Palestine Action a terrorist organization and have taken to arresting little old ladies holding up signs:
Oh ◊◊◊◊ me. I love the UK, but this is something out of Monty Python. How can anyone in the UK possibly respect police when five of them arrest someone for this ◊◊◊◊.
I know it won’t get to court, but the UK is now officially a laughing stock.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
But you and I both know mate, it doesn't matter to them that it will go nowhere. The whole intention is to use the process to chill free speech, and frighten others into not speaking their minds.
The process IS the punishment!
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
A couple of interesting paragraphs
For a couple of years, whenever I tried to talk to “outsiders” about what was really going on, the problem was not that they disagreed with me. It was that they thought I was making it up. I’d be told that no one, apart from a handful of totally mad people, thought that biological sex wasn’t real or that children were born in the wrong body. No one thought that male rapists should be in women’s prisons or that male bodies belonged in female sports! No one thought a person should be able to switch genders at random, simply on their say-so! Where had I got such crazy ideas?
Trans activist demands were so obviously insane that most people’s natural response was to think you were inventing them in order to make trans people look bad (so no wonder trans people hated terfs!).
Until this issue arose, I had no idea how many self-styled “good” people will support bad things on the basis that other, less important people can take all the hits. Maybe I was incredibly naïve, but I thought of my political opponents as people who believed different things to me, not people who believed the exact same things but considered themselves much more special and exempt from responsibility than their fellow believers.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Whatever. I don't think people have to be perfect in order not to be unreasonably harassed and victimised by police officers acting as the enforcement arm of a dangerous cult of aggressive, narcissistic men. Your mileage may vary.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Thanks! I was going to edit that in when I got to my computer. (It's not easy on a phone.)
angrysoba
Philosophile
I've already said exactly as much, as opposed to Glinner.
Maybe I see him the same way as you might see, say, Gladwell.
Rolfe
Adult human female
So what?
Rolfe
Adult human female
Here's another one.
Again you'll get a lot of people criticising Kellie-Jay Keen for various real and perceived sins. But the fact remains that nobody should have to suffer what she has suffered and is suffering at the hands of the transactivists while the police sit on their hands and find pathetic excuses not to act.
I'm not entirely sure about who is involved. She implies pretty heavily that Tarquin is the prime mover. That police have repeatedly refused to take any action against him for clear breaches of the anti-harassment laws, but then leaped into action to arrest Glinner on his complaint.
However, she also said that this has been going on for seven years. If Tarquin is 18 now then he was eleven when this started. I doubt that he was involved then. Reading between the lines, I think she's saying that Watson and the other two individuals that Wings hasn't written about yet are using a succession of young people hyped up on testosterone and a sense of entitlement to attack the people they have targeted.
They've even managed to have her bank account closed. They did the same to Wings.
It's sinister enough, but the police treating them as a sacred caste who can do no wrong and going after their victims is something that should worry everyone.
Again you'll get a lot of people criticising Kellie-Jay Keen for various real and perceived sins. But the fact remains that nobody should have to suffer what she has suffered and is suffering at the hands of the transactivists while the police sit on their hands and find pathetic excuses not to act.
I'm not entirely sure about who is involved. She implies pretty heavily that Tarquin is the prime mover. That police have repeatedly refused to take any action against him for clear breaches of the anti-harassment laws, but then leaped into action to arrest Glinner on his complaint.
However, she also said that this has been going on for seven years. If Tarquin is 18 now then he was eleven when this started. I doubt that he was involved then. Reading between the lines, I think she's saying that Watson and the other two individuals that Wings hasn't written about yet are using a succession of young people hyped up on testosterone and a sense of entitlement to attack the people they have targeted.
They've even managed to have her bank account closed. They did the same to Wings.
It's sinister enough, but the police treating them as a sacred caste who can do no wrong and going after their victims is something that should worry everyone.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Wings has published part two of the three-parter on the small group of men pulling the strings of the legal shenanigans of the gender cultists. Unsurprisingly it's Tony Halliday/"Stephanie Hayden".
wingsoverscotland.com
I'm less sure who the third one is, but I imagine we'll find out later this week.
The Incredible Sulk
Last week we introduced readers to Sophia “Tarquin” Brooks, the 18-year-old boy who Graham Linehan is currently on trial for supposedly “assaulting”, and in particular his c…
wingsoverscotland.com
I'm less sure who the third one is, but I imagine we'll find out later this week.