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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
So who's funding all his websites and books? Good luck and all that if you are into the anti-vaxxer, 'free Lucy', psyops, 'Covid was a Hoax' campaigning brigades. It's not anything that interests me. Sorry.
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Haha. You don't know what to say about Bollyn do you? You've bounced between casually dismissing his anti-Semitism and conspiracy whackiness as someone who just happens to be pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel and who is merely questioning the 9/11 narrative, and dismissing him outright as a Russian disinfo agent operating under a false identity.

Which is it?
 
Vixen said:
I see you're 'new blood' dorricc0 and welcome. Seriously, I do recommend looking up the previous discussions on this issue as I for one can't see the point on going over old ground unless you can see an issue arising out of it.
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You continually bring up "old ground" as if it has never been discussed before. And continually and steadfastly refuse to provide evidence foe any of your repetitive claims.
 
Vixen said:
So who's funding all his websites and books? Good luck and all that if you are into the anti-vaxxer, 'free Lucy', psyops, 'Covid was a Hoax' campaigning brigades. It's not anything that interests me. Sorry.
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This is gibberish.

On the other hand here is a presentation by Bollyn that's over 2 hours long (ETA: It's age restricted for some reason so I've provided a link instead of the video itself):

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There are a lot of videos about Bollyn, or of Bollyn himself on youtube. Usually on far-right conspiracy nonsense channels.
 
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JesseCuster said:
Have you read this book? What exactly does it say about Voronin's being grossly overweight and what evidence does it offer?
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Whoosh! Once again my point seems to have escaped you, which was fit senior officers aged mid-twenties to forties, regular medicals, know the drill, fit and strong (+ all 'missing presumed dead') ~vs~ a youngish guy but with severe health problems, 245lbs*, and who had badly injured his back when the lists back and forth began, with a kid to look after and his grandfather, plus an ex-sea Captain aged 74 and his wife of similar age group (I presume) nonetheless, despite having some problem unravelling the life jackets, managed to spritely jump into a life boat and were saved.

* Donald Trump is 6'3" (=feet and inches) and weighs 245lbs. (= pounds)
 
JesseCuster said:
Haha. You don't know what to say about Bollyn do you? You've bounced between casually dismissing his anti-Semitism and conspiracy whackiness as someone who just happens to be pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel and who is merely questioning the 9/11 narrative, and dismissing him outright as a Russian disinfo agent operating under a false identity.

Which is it?
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Whichever it is, he appears to be either an anti-Zionist zealot, which does not necessarily mean 'anti-Semitic' as per far right semantics as there are plenty of Jews who also disapprove of Zionism. He's a crusader and I have no idea what makes him tick but he doesn't pass muster with me.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
This is gibberish.

On the other hand here is a presentation by Bollyn that's over 2 hours long (ETA: It's age restricted for some reason so I've provided a link instead of the video itself):

Linky

There are a lot of videos about Bollyn, or of Bollyn himself on youtube. Usually on far-right conspiracy nonsense channels.
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Yes, politics has its place in the world. I am not going to argue it here.
 
Vixen said:
Whoosh! Once again my point seems to have escaped you, which was fit senior officers aged mid-twenties to forties, regular medicals, know the drill, fit and strong (+ all 'missing presumed dead') ~vs~ a youngish guy but with severe health problems, 245lbs*, and who had badly injured his back when the lists back and forth began, with a kid to look after and his grandfather, plus an ex-sea Captain aged 74 and his wife of similar age group (I presume) nonetheless, despite having some problem unravelling the life jackets, managed to spritely jump into a life boat and were saved.

* Donald Trump is 6'3" (=feet and inches) and weighs 245lbs. (= pounds)
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Your point and argument about Voronin surviving are entirely moot if Voronin wasn't "grossly overweight" or "clinically obese". So again, I'll ask, what is the evidence that Voronin was grossly overweight and 245lbs? What does the book you cited say about Voronin's weight and what evidence does it offer?

edit: Also, did he have "severe health problems" apart from his weight, what were those problems? Also, who says he "spritely jumped into a life boat" (apart from you)?

Have you read the book? Can you cite what it actually says and what evidence it puts forth?
 
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JesseCuster said:
Your point and argument about Voronin surviving are entirely moot if Voronin wasn't "grossly overweight" or "clinically obese". So again, I'll ask, what is the evidence that Voronin was grossly overweight and 245lbs? What does the book you cited say about Voronin's weight and what evidence does it offer?
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TBH even if he was obese, chance plays a big role. If crew are checking that area, see him and help him to a life boat. If he's not in his cabin when the ship founders and happens to be near the life boats. If he has people near him, etc. In this kind of situation where you are and whether you're awake or asleep when events happen makes a huge difference to your chances of survival and it's totally random.
 
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Vixen said:
Whoosh! Once again my point seems to have escaped you, which was fit senior officers aged mid-twenties to forties, regular medicals, know the drill, fit and strong (+ all 'missing presumed dead') ~vs~ a youngish guy but with severe health problems, 245lbs*, and who had badly injured his back when the lists back and forth began, with a kid to look after and his grandfather, plus an ex-sea Captain aged 74 and his wife of similar age group (I presume) nonetheless, despite having some problem unravelling the life jackets, managed to spritely jump into a life boat and were saved.

* Donald Trump is 6'3" (=feet and inches) and weighs 245lbs. (= pounds)
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They were lucky, other's weren't, the crew were helping passengers escape, you said so yourself. what's your point?

Are you implying the officers were murdered so they couldn't escape?
 
Vixen said:
Whoosh! Once again my point seems to have escaped you
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As for why your point might have escaped anyone who is still reading your posts, the rest of what you wrote there serves only to demonstrate that what you are going on about has no point:
Vixen said:
which was fit senior officers aged mid-twenties to forties, regular medicals, know the drill, fit and strong (+ all 'missing presumed dead') ~vs~ a youngish guy but with severe health problems, 245lbs*, and who had badly injured his back when the lists back and forth began, with a kid to look after and his grandfather, plus an ex-sea Captain aged 74 and his wife of similar age group (I presume) nonetheless, despite having some problem unravelling the life jackets, managed to spritely jump into a life boat and were saved.

* Donald Trump is 6'3" (=feet and inches) and weighs 245lbs. (= pounds)
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If there were any point at all to what you're saying, your point would be that survival often comes down to chance. To illustrate the pointlessness of your point, you are telling us that Donald Trump himself, as ill-fit as he is, distracted by his obviously selfless concern for his child and grandfather ( (: ), might or might not have survived the disaster.
 
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JesseCuster said:
Fascinating. I'm sure you can explain why telling us Donald Trump's height and weight, and explaining that 6'3" refers to feet and inches and that lbs means pounds is somehow relevant...
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Vixen needs to explain what units she means when she uses prime notation because she doesn't always use the notation correctly.
 
Vixen said:
You have said you have no respect for my citation skills, so you are welcome to research who was on the bridge for yourself, without my help.
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You have never supplied a cite for this claim.
and in the meantime, ignored rallies the other points in my last post.
Why is that? Because you have nothing except CT sources for your assertions?

Please, please, please prove me wrong.
 
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