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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

The JAIC Report details exactly who was on duty and who had come off it.
December 7th, 1941 my father was a radio man on board ship in Pearl Harbor. Since he was currently not on duty in the radio room he went (with many other crewmembers) to help transport ammo to the smaller guns. Do you suppose he and the others were denied entrance to the armory because they weren't on the duty roster for that particular post that morning?
 
He's not so much anti-semite but IMV a Middle Eastern gentleman, probably, whose real name is a recognisably Arabic one, who feels strongly about the State of Israel politically, hence his anti-USA stance. As I can find zero mention of Christopher Bollyn outside of his anti-US proselytising I feel sure that is not his real name, given he claims to be some kind of an academic. He is of course free to hold whatever political opinion he likes but what is important here is being aware he has a political agenda and thus should be looked at from that perspective.
Well of course if he is a rabid anti-Semite, the Jewish population of New York is going to object to his appearance in their neighbourhood.
Still think he's a "middle eastern gentleman" given I've provided you a link with a picture?

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This is Christopher Bollyn, Vixen.
 
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As already posted, in a storm at night extra crew would be posted as lookouts.
When the ship was sinking, the crew detailed to help the passengers would be helping the passengers. That would not be the entire crew.
As for the engine room, after the power failed all the engine room crew could do was abandon ship.

Once the engines stopped it was doomed and not just because the pumps stopped but because it couldn't be steered.

Do you think the engineering crew wouldn't send someone to the bridge to report?

Do you think the crew organising the evacuation wouldn't be reporting to the bridge?

You know nothing about how a ship is run or the duties of the crew.
There was a discussion about how the crew communicated with the bridge if anyone wants to recap on who was where. If you recall, the engineers did have a special quick stairwell straight up to the upper deck, to access things such as the generator. They communicated with walkie-talkie. I don't recall any of them saying they attempted to access the bridge itself. If you recall the listing was significantly increasingly bad within about fifteen minutes, when stair railings were more like ladders because of the angles. I am not seeing how or why anyone would be making their way to the bridge with the intention of 'coming to the rescue' unless you can point to evidence of this.
 
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There was a discussion about how the crew communicated with the bridge if anyone wants to recap on who was where. If you recall, rhe engineers did have a special quick stairwell straight up to the upper deck, to access things such as the generator. They communicated with walkie-talkie. I don't recall any of them saying they attempted to access the bridge itself. If you recall the listing was significantly increasingly bad within about fifteen minutes, when stair railings were more like ladders because of the angles. I am not seeing how or why anyone would be making their way to the bridge with the intention of 'coming to the rescue' unless you can point to evidence of this.
A 'walkie talkie' won't work in the engine room, it's a big steel box.
 
December 7th, 1941 my father was a radio man on board ship in Pearl Harbor. Since he was currently not on duty in the radio room he went (with many other crewmembers) to help transport ammo to the smaller guns. Do you suppose he and the others were denied entrance to the armory because they weren't on the duty roster for that particular post that morning?
Well, that's it. Conclusive proof that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor and let it happen on purpose (LIHOP).
 
The ship's crew have a protocol of helping passengers first and foremost. The senior crew were well-provided for safety-wise, given Voronin, clinically obese and with advanced health problems, and his family, together with a former sea captain aged circa 74, and his wife, all managed to get on the nearby lifeboats safely and survive. They were in the exact same accommodation quarters as the ship's senior crew, the Chief Engineer, the Ship's Doctor, etcetera, who, after their relatives were informed they had survived (as one would expect in their privileged location and knowledge of ship safety) were later told they were missing and their bodies not recovered. Yet the unfit, the frail and the elderly in the neighbouring cabins somehow had no problem. So, yes, the engineers as I recall were busily pumping out water from the engine room, not racing to help out the bridge, who had their own duties to do.

There was a discussion about how the crew communicated with the bridge if anyone wants to recap on who was where. If you recall, the engineers did have a special quick stairwell straight up to the upper deck, to access things such as the generator. They communicated with walkie-talkie. I don't recall any of them saying they attempted to access the bridge itself. If you recall the listing was significantly increasingly bad within about fifteen minutes, when stair railings were more like ladders because of the angles. I am not seeing how or why anyone would be making their way to the bridge with the intention of 'coming to the rescue' unless you can point to evidence of this.
These two posts neatly illustrate a complete lack of understanding of how a ship and her crew operates.

And the last time I heard the term 'walkie-talkie' was in Toys R Us.
 
If you can follow notation correctly, you will see I asterisked the word 'unauthorised' to explain what I meant by this term. Do you know how an asterisk works, or is that another 'grey' area people don't get?
This is what you said:
The unidentified - and officially unauthorised* - man in the red jacket lying under a toppled cabinet. Source: Rockwell Report plus video youtube (search function should call all this up).

*(key personnel only allowed on the bridge]
And @JesseCuster is asking, Who officially said that this alleged dead body was unauthorised?

So yes, we know how asterisks work and it's there in the text above.

I'm asking too. Who officially said that this unidentified dead body was unauthorised?
 
Maybe I'm getting bogged down on this point about the unidentified yet unauthorised person on the bridge.

How about a different approach, @Vixen . What is the significance to this disaster that an unauthorised person may have been on the bridge at the time of the sinking. (I haven't waded back through the threads so forgive me if this has been covered).
 
He doesn't pass my 'sniff test'. Sorry.
No. Here's what you said two years ago:

Christopher Bollyn does not exist. He is a made up character. There is nothing in wikipedia about him. His self-description is that he attended University of California and studied the Middle East (=there's a clue!). He is a true conspiracy theorist. His real name is probably Boris Bollockski from a Russian propaganda disinformation farm, or more likely, given his obsession with Mossad being behind everything, someone called Mohamed Al-MisinformationGuyrezi. Aim: to undermine Western values and stir up discontent and doubt.

My advice to you is learn how to spot misinformation merchants. As soon as you see the word 'psyop', read no further and block.

Don't waste your time.

And here's what I wrote two years ago when you made this ridiculous claim:
From the Chicago Tribune, Sept. 8, 2006:​
A Hoffman Estates writer who claims Israeli agents were involved in the World Trade Center attack said police arrested him and shot him with a stun gun because of his views.​
But police say Christopher Bollyn was arrested during an altercation with officers last month because police feared he was going to get a weapon, which Bollyn denies. He was charged with aggravated assault and resisting arrest.​
Bollyn writes for several Web sites, including one run by American Free Press, a Washington weekly publication that has published articles, including some by Bollyn, raising the possibility that Israel was the behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.​
Last weekend, the publication co-sponsored a conference in Washington with the Barnes Review, a publication that considers the Holocaust a myth.​
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So tell us Vixen, how is it that you know better than the Chicago Police Department, the ADL, and the Chicago Tribune?
 
Your response:

Do you know what the word "evidence" means? What is your evidence for Voronin being 245lbs, clinically obese or grossly overweight (and while you're at it, a "staunch Zionist")?
p211 Flashes in the Night, Jack A Nelson. He was a Jewish-Russian arms dealer and as stated above suspected of supplying former USSR space craft to the pro-Israel Americans.
 
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These two posts neatly illustrate a complete lack of understanding of how a ship and her crew operates.

And the last time I heard the term 'walkie-talkie' was in Toys R Us.
I see you're 'new blood' dorricc0 and welcome. Seriously, I do recommend looking up the previous discussions on this issue as I for one can't see the point on going over old ground unless you can see an issue arising out of it.
 
Maybe I'm getting bogged down on this point about the unidentified yet unauthorised person on the bridge.

How about a different approach, @Vixen . What is the significance to this disaster that an unauthorised person may have been on the bridge at the time of the sinking. (I haven't waded back through the threads so forgive me if this has been covered).
I wouldn't know what the 'significance' is except that this was observed and reported in credible sources. It just is. I suggest watching Baltic Storm if you want to find out what Jutta Rabe claims to have found out from her research as an investigative journalist.

 
No. Here's what you said two years ago:



And here's what I wrote two years ago when you made this ridiculous claim:
From the Chicago Tribune, Sept. 8, 2006:​
A Hoffman Estates writer who claims Israeli agents were involved in the World Trade Center attack said police arrested him and shot him with a stun gun because of his views.​
But police say Christopher Bollyn was arrested during an altercation with officers last month because police feared he was going to get a weapon, which Bollyn denies. He was charged with aggravated assault and resisting arrest.​
Bollyn writes for several Web sites, including one run by American Free Press, a Washington weekly publication that has published articles, including some by Bollyn, raising the possibility that Israel was the behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.​
Last weekend, the publication co-sponsored a conference in Washington with the Barnes Review, a publication that considers the Holocaust a myth.​
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So tell us Vixen, how is it that you know better than the Chicago Police Department, the ADL, and the Chicago Tribune?

So who's funding all his websites and books? Good luck and all that if you are into the anti-vaxxer, 'free Lucy', psyops, 'Covid was a Hoax' campaigning brigades. It's not anything that interests me. Sorry.
 

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