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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

You're willing to go to the trouble of citing the publisher, year, author, book title, page number, etc. for irrelevant guff in books about World War II, but you're incapable or unwilling to provide any citations for claims about strange dead bodies in red with bullet wounds, that are directly linked to the Estonia sinking. Why?
Because it has already been discussed to death. In addition, the investigators have now confirmed there WAS a massive hole in the hull as has been claimed for years. All we need do now is await the final report to see whether it all adds up at last.
 
"That's because..."? What's because? Are you saying you convinced yourself the divers were sent to search specifically for a case belonging to Piht because they tried to read the Russian name on a case they found? How on earth did you reach that conclusion?



They entered a bunch of cabins, if they could get access. Some doors they tried to force or pry the hinges. Why have you fixated on one person and on one personal item?


What makes you think that? And which guy? Piht? Obviously Voronin wasn't chained to his.
Think about it. There were at least >1,000 passengers and crew. No-one took their luggage with them when the ship sank. So out of literally hundreds of bags and suitcases strewn about, they make a beeline for that one, to the extent of spelling out the name on it. And the guy turns out to be an ethnic Russian arms dealer who smuggled arms to Israel. And he had either swapped or shared/socialised in, the same cabin as Piht, who was wanted by Interpol 7 Oct 1994.
 
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Because it has already been discussed to death. In addition, the investigators have now confirmed there WAS a massive hole in the hull as has been claimed for years. All we need do now is await the final report to see whether it all adds up at last.
But you were asked about the alleged dead body in red with the bullet wound, not about a massive hole in the side of the Estonia. It would only take you a few seconds to post a citation for the evidence, why are you willing to accurately cite irrelevant books about World War II but completely unwilling to cite the evidence for the strange body in red with the bullet wound on the bridge?
 
Think about it. There were at least >1,000 passengers and crew. No-one took their luggage with them when the ship sank. So out of literally hundreds of bags and suitcases strewn about, they make a beeline for that one, to the extent of spelling out the name on it. And the guy turns out to be an ethnic Russian arms dealer who smuggled arms to Israel. And he had either swapped or shared/socialised in, the same cabin as Piht, who was wanted by Interpol 7 Oct 1994.
Evidence that divers "made a beeline" for a particular case? I'm betting you won't even pretend to provide evidence for this claim, just lazily telling others to go search for and find the evidence themselves.
 
I've searched and can't find anything online that Alexander Voronin was a known Zionist, a known arms dealer, or that he was grossly overweight. Can't find much of anything about him to be honest.

Vixen, what's your source for your claim that Voronin was grossly overweight, a staunch Zionist and an arms dealer?

edit: Ok, found some claims about Voronin, with the spelling "Aleksandr Voronin",which claim that he was a Russian arms dealer, the claims being made by Jutta Rabe and/or Christopher Bollyn (remember him?). Can't find anything solid though. Got anything Vixen?
 
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This is what happens when someone is emotionally invested in a conspiracy and refuses to acknowledge they've been completely wrong. Instead of looking inward for the reasons they embraced Tom Foolery, they double-down. This coming AFTER a second investigation they've been screaming for has cut them off at the knees. It is sad.
The Estonia sank stern down first, bow in the air. The depth was 80m, the length of the vessel was 155m. Do the maths, So now the 22m gaping hole in the hull has been confirmed, although not mentioned at all in the original JAIC Report (how could they miss it?). So the trigger 'initial findings' is that this was caused by rocks where it landed and rolled against. This is classic Change Management, preparing the public for a conclusion it was the rocks that caused the hole. Let's see if it all adds up.
 
Evidence that divers "made a beeline" for a particular case? I'm betting you won't even pretend to provide evidence for this claim, just lazily telling others to go search for and find the evidence themselves.
Er, the guy on the video tape can be heard spelling out Voronin's name, albeit incorrectly.
 
I've searched and can't find anything online that Alexander Voronin was a known Zionist, a known arms dealer, or that he was grossly overweight. Can't find much of anything about him to be honest.

Vixen, what's your source for your claim that Voronin was grossly overweight, a staunch Zionist and an arms dealer?

edit: Ok, found some claims about Voronin, with the spelling "Aleksandr Voronin",which claim that he was a Russian arms dealer, the claims being made by Jutta Rabe and/or Christopher Bollyn (remember him?). Can't find anything solid though. Got anything Vixen?
I think Christopher Bollyn is a pseudonym but from what he says of himself and his theories about the 9/11 disaster, I get the sense he is anti-Israel and pro-Islamist Middle Eastern states. I might be completely wrong but that is the vibe I picked up from reading his stuff.
 
The Estonia sank stern down first, bow in the air. The depth was 80m, the length of the vessel was 155m. Do the maths, So now the 22m gaping hole in the hull has been confirmed, although not mentioned at all in the original JAIC Report (how could they miss it?). So the trigger 'initial findings' is that this was caused by rocks where it landed and rolled against.
This is classic Change Management, preparing the public for a conclusion it was the rocks that caused the hole. Let's see if it all adds up.
That's clearly conjecture Vixen. I thought you only dealt in facts?
 

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