Merged US may close Cuba Embassy over 'health attacks'

[dann]

Another one of those mass events where the symptoms were probably real, but ...

Syringe attacks mar France's Fête de la Musique summer street festival (France24, June 22, 2025)
Nearly 150 people reported being assaulted with syringes across France during its annual "Fête de la Musique" summer festival, with Paris police reporting 13 cases in the capital alone. Twelve suspects in the attacks were arrested, the interior ministry said. More than 370 other people were detained nationwide on various other charges
(...)
Officials did not (!) specify if they were cases of so-called needle spiking with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol or GHB, used by attackers to render victims confused or unconscious and vulnerable to sexual assault.
"Some victims were taken to hospital for toxicological tests," the ministry said.
In Paris, investigations were opened after three people including a 15-year-old girl and an 18-year-old male, reported being stabbed in three different locations in Paris, prosecutors said.
All three reported that they felt unwell.

International media soon jumped on the bandwagon:

‘I started to feel (!) numb’: Woman recalls syringe attack at French music festival (CNN, June 25, 2025)
It was around 1.30 a.m., after the crowds had thinned from the streets of Bordeaux, when Manon felt the prick of a hypodermic needle going into her arm.
“Someone tapped (!) my left forearm. I started to feel numb in the muscle, like you do when you get a vaccine. After about 30 minutes, the injection mark appeared,” she recalled to CNN.
Despite not knowing what she had been injected with – or who had done it – she said she “didn’t want to panic.”

I don't know about other people, but I never "feel numb in the muscle" after vaccinations. One day later, I sometimes feel a little sore in the muscle for a day or two. I suspect that what she feles after vaccinations may (also) be psychosomatic.

After spending 4 a.m. to 7.a.m on Sunday in the emergency room, Manon shared a video of her experience on TikTok.
“It was important for me to raise awareness, because I hadn’t seen any testimonies from people who had been injected,” said Manon, who declined to give her last name for safety reasons.

Remember TikTok Tourette's?!

Since Saturday, French police have detained 14 men – aged between 19 and 44 and including both French citizens and foreign nationals, police spokeswoman Agathe Foucault told Radio France Tuesday – but have made no arrests in connection with the needle spikings. (Still CNN)

NBC reported the 'attacks' as actual fact!

Nearly 150 people jabbed with syringes at festivals across France (NBC News, June 24, 2025)
Nearly 150 people were jabbed with syringes at music festivals across France, including in Paris. Authorities have arrested 12 suspects in connection to the attacks, which took place during the country's annual Fete de la Musique.

At least, ABC remembered to write "reportedly", "reported being 'pricked'" and "possibly":

145 people reportedly 'pricked' in syringe attack at music festival in France (ABC News, June 24, 2025)
Police in France said 14 people have been arrested after (!!!) 145 people reported being "pricked," possibly by syringes, at a nationwide music festival on Saturday. ABC News’ Tom Soufi Burridge reports.

The rumor was deliberately started on Snapchat on June 17 and then "reposted by the popular feminist account Abrègesœur on TikTok and Instagram" - the latter with good intentions, I assume:

Syringe attacks at France-wide music event: How panic spread on social media (LeMonde, June 27, 2025)
After the evening of Fête de la Musique, nearly 145 suspected cases of 'random syringe attacks' were reported. Yet, to date,not a single case of drug injection has been confirmed.

Far more media reports about the phenomenon as an attack than about it as a social panic. The latter is far less interesting, apparently.

 

[dann]

For the past ten days, Catherine Herridge, whom I mentioned several times on page 60 of this thread, has been busy justifying Trump's attack on Iran, but two weeks ago she tweeted a recording that is not the recording of an actual alleged attack, but a recording of such a sound being recreated and mimicked.

Mark Lenzi (see post 2,171) was one of the American CIA agents who came down with the 'syndrome' in Guangzhou, China.

Catherine Herridge on X, June 18, 2025
DISTURBING: Audio Recording Shared by Whistleblower Mark Lenzi Was Recreated for Federal Investigators And Mimics What Lenzi Experienced During a Directed Energy Attack in 2018
***We were told the recording is not harmful to listeners***

The recording is 18 seconds long, and I see not reason whatsoever why it would be harmful. At most, a little annoying, maybe, if you could hear the sound coming from one of your neighbors late at night.

It's definitely not crickets. As mentioned before, my hearing is impaired, so I would like to hear what it sounds like to those of you with a better sense of hearing and maybe even with a professional knowledge of recording and recreating/mimicking sounds.
I don't want to let my interpretation of the sound influence you before you listen to it for yourselves, but this is what it sounds like to me:

At first, it sounds like a stone or metal ball hitting and bouncing off a ceramic or stone floor. The next thing sounds like a kind of wheel being set in motion and scraping against some kind of surface, or maybe like a spinning coin on a metal plate slowing down.

The recreators must have had a lot of fun mimicking the sound Mark Lenzi heard in China.

 

[dann]

I am not the only one!

Nadya Bidness on X, June 18, 2025
Intersting. The first part sounds like a metal ballbearing that has been dropped and continues bouncing followed by the metallic whirring of a spinning coin that's settling.

Seeking Truth on X, June 19, 2025
That's precisely what I heard as well. I'm highly skeptical of this recording being DEW.

Offgridprofessor on X, June 18, 2025
Sounds like someone dropping a coin on a glass table. So so spooky. I almost did nothing. Thinking my mind would shatter from the lack of danger.

WilliamO on X, June 18, 2025
Sounds like a coin being bounced on glass then let it spin to a halt.

Armando Aguilar on X, June 19, 2025
Sounds like a hollow thick coin spinning then wiggling until it settles.

QUANTUM NEURAL NETWORKING on X, June 19, 2025
That was really someone throwing down a nickel and then listening to it spin as it settled down

But that just goes to show how devious those DEW attackers are!

NachoLibro on X, June 19, 2025
Authentic! The attackers have an MO of deliberately dropping what sounds like screws (but can be any small metallic object that wouldn’t, unless repeated in smaller intervals than every 10-30 minutes, raise a credible noise complaint) at night to keep the target awake.

NachoLibro on X, June 19, 2025
The highest power portable weapons may be rolled.The attacks usually come from the room/floor immediately above, I presume due to device weight and the ease with which cameras and listening devices can be lowered through drilled ceiling holes (penetrated completed).

 

[dann]

News about Dr. Michael Hoffer from targeted individual Len Ber:

Len Ber MD on X, June 23, 2025
Dr. Hoffer admits to his patient: I Am Not Allowed to Diagnose Havana Syndrome Victims Any Longer. The Government Won’t Let Me.
(...) https://lenbermd.substack.com/p/dr-hoffer-i-am-not-allowed-to-diagnose

Another TI retweeted Len Ber's article:

The Chosen Heroes on X, June 23, 2025
I recently spoke with a Targeted Survivor that also flew out to see Dr. Hoffer and was advised to open an envelope when he was “safe” on the plane back home. The message in envelope read the military had requested the targeted survivors medical record. Dr. Hoffer additionally was not able to assist with Havana Syndrome diagnosis during his visit. Another example of someone spending money to fly out to only be turned away. Government overreach to silence #TRUTH. There are many innocent civilians exhibiting anomalous health incidents mirroring agents diagnosed with Havana Syndrome, myself included. Never stop raising awareness that the powers that be have shunned us so they can escape accountability and prevent public outrage. Dr. Ber’s article:

I would be interesting to know how much money Michael Hoffer has made diagnosing targeted individuals with the 'syndrome'!
See posts 1,984 and 2,002.

 

[dann]

The fourth episode of the new BBC podcast series (see posts 2,397 and 2,400) was released today.
When it was announced, it was claimed that "listeners [would] hear from those who claim to have been affected, as well as sceptics." However, in the first three episodes there wasn't much skepticism, but this may have been due to the chronological presentation of the 'syndrome' in this podcast series.

The episodes so far:

1. Psychological Fortitude (39 min.) Released On: 10 Jun 2025
It takes a certain type of person to be a CIA agent in Havana. Subjected to constant harassment and surveillance, it is a claustrophobic and eerie world to navigate. And when one agent hears a mysterious sound causing him real-world symptoms, it raises fears of a covert weapon.

2. Old Habits (34 min.) Released On: 17 Jun 2025
US Marine Jim Tracy returns to Havana to raise the American flag he once lowered in 1961. It marks a hopeful new chapter of US-Cuban relations, created through quiet diplomacy and unlikely backchannels involving senators, spies, and even Pope Francis. But just as the mood shifts toward reconciliation, a young CIA officer lands in Havana and soon begins experiencing something strange and deeply troubling. His illness—and the mysterious sound that seems to trigger it—threatens not just his mission, but the entire political thaw.

3. This Looks Real (39 min.) Released On: 24 Jun 2025
A growing cluster of unexplained illnesses among US diplomats forces a response from the government. One CIA field agent refuses to let the issue be ignored, becoming both advocate and investigator. As more reports surface, the agency sends a medical expert to assess the situation on the ground.
What happens next sends shockwaves through the case. In a story filled with doubt, deflection, and delayed decisions, the line between investigator and victim suddenly begins to blur - raising new questions about the nature of the threat, and whether anyone is truly safe.

4. Sound and Fury (38 min.) Released On: 01 Jul 2025
After a State Department source hands a scoop to a Washington journalist, the Havana situation goes public in spectacular fashion.
A media and political storm gathers around multiple investigations into the alleged sonic attacks in Havana. Figures within the Trump administration push to punish Cuba. With agents dropping like flies, the CIA takes dramatic action.

The first three episodes were mainly based on interviews with Patient Zero, 'Adam', who is obviously not a skeptic but one of "those who claim to have been affected." In today's episode we also got to hear from Mitchell Valdes-Sosa, the director of the Cuban Center of Neuroscience, who was leading the Cuban investigation of the 'syndrome'. Episode 4 also presents a couple of Americans, who were skeptical of the idea of a sonic or microwave attack.
Next week's episode appears to be about how the official narrative was suited to fit politics in Miami.

Future episodes:
5. The Lobby 08 July
6. The Thing 15 July
7. America's Backyard 22 July
8. Havana Conference 29 July
9. Hiding In Plain Sight 05 August
10. Coming Soon 12 August

 

[dann]

I have recently been impressed with the results I get from Google's AI. In the case of the 'syndrome', it can actually summarize the ODNI assessment correctly, a job that far too many journalists can't do. (See post 2,351)
Previously, AIs had a hard time distinguishing between the different points of view, i.e. the "controversy," and just came up with something like 'some people think this, others think that'.
I googled "Havana syndrome" 2025 and got this:

In 2025, investigations into Havana Syndrome continued, with US intelligence agencies generally concluding that it was "very unlikely" a foreign adversary was responsible for the illnesses. However, one agency did express a "roughly even chance" that a novel weapon was used against a small subset of those affected. The broader intelligence community largely rejected the idea of a foreign actor, despite ongoing research.
Key Developments in 2025:

• Intelligence Community Assessment:
  A report released in January 2025 indicated that most US intelligence agencies maintained that a foreign adversary was unlikely to be the cause of Havana Syndrome.
• Minority View:
  One agency, along with another intelligence community department, acknowledged a possibility that a foreign actor might have used a directed energy weapon against a small group of individuals, but stopped short of directly linking it to the reported Havana Syndrome cases.
• Ongoing Research:
  Despite the general consensus, research continued to explore the potential role of directed energy weapons and other possible causes.
• Congressional Oversight:
  The House Committee on Oversight and Accountability investigated the Biden administration's handling of the situation, citing inadequate measures to provide care for affected federal employees.
• CIA Handling Criticized:
  A Senate report found that the CIA's handling of Havana Syndrome cases was flawed, with issues related to medical care, compensation, and communication.
• Public Debate:
  The ongoing investigation and differing conclusions fueled public debate and controversy regarding the cause of Havana Syndrome.

The term "Havana Syndrome" refers to a constellation of neurological symptoms experienced by US personnel and their families, often involving perceived loud noises, headaches, dizziness, and cognitive issues. The cause of these symptoms remains a subject of investigation and debate.

To be perfect, it would have had to distinguish between the two agencies with the minority view. They both think that the kind of attack described by the DEW idea is possible in principle. However, one of the two agencies doesn't think that an attack actually happened in the case of the 'Havana syndrome', and the other one thinks that there's a 50-50 chance that an attack actually occurred. The five others, i.e. the majority view, think that it's either unlikely or very unlikely.
But I guess that could be considered to be going into too much detail for a summary of the ODNI assessment.

 

[dann]

Lawyer Mark Zaid retweeted this from Christo Grozev, who (co)wrote the article about the 'Havana Syndrome' in The Insider:

ChristoGrozev on X, June 26, 2025
Our joint investigation (@the_ins_ru) with @60Minutes and @derspiegel into the Havana Syndrome just got an Emmy for Outstanding Investigative News Coverage!

The Emmys on X, June 26, 2025
The #NewsEmmys Award for Outstanding Investigative News Coverage – Long Form goes to Targeting Americans | 60 Minutes (@CBS).

However, when Grozev wrote this in The Insider's article about the 'syndrome', he carefully avoided mentioning the actual names of the biomarkers that were supposed to constitute proof that the CIA agents were the victims of a DEW attack:

Unraveling Havana Syndrome: New evidence links the GRU's assassination Unit 29155 to mysterious attacks on U.S. officials and their families (The Insider, April 1, 2024)
Both microwave and ultrasound energy can damage cells in the brain as well as open the blood-brain barrier, causing proteins from the damaged cells to leak into the spinal fluid and then into the bloodstream. These so-called biomarkers are metabolized by the body within hours to days, meaning that someone hit with an acoustic weapon would need to have their blood drawn almost immediately after an attack to detect this kind of evidence of injury.
The former Kyiv Station CIA officer who was hit in Hanoi in 2021 was one of only two victims of Havana Syndrome whose biomarkers had been measured before the attack, thus establishing an individualized baseline. In this officer’s case, the biomarker levels jumped from normal before the attack to far above normal hours after; they then returned to normal days later, clearly indicating brain injury at the time of the attack, according to multiple sources within the U.S. intelligence community.

As mentioned in post 2,119, "these so-called biomarkers" are called NfL and GFAP, and they are biomarkers of ordinary stress and exhaustion.
60 Minutes and The Insider didn't interview a single skeptic, only believers and alleged victims, and the embarrassing cricket recordings were never mentioned.
It doesn't take much to get an award for Outstanding Investigative News Coverage!

 

[dann]

Before Musk's Grok went full-blown MechaNazi, some Targeted Individuals asked it about the 'syndrome':

Len Ber MD on X, July 6, 2025:
@grok Discuss how central nervous system can be attacked by electromagnetic devices

Grok on X, July 6, 2025
While Havana Syndrome symptoms are real and distressing for those affected, 2025 intelligence reports (e.g., ODNI, CIA) conclude no evidence of foreign directed energy weapons; most cases likely stem from stress, psychogenic factors, or pre-existing conditions. Recommend medical evaluation over conspiracy theories.
Sources: http://nytimes.com, http://cnn.com, http://theatlantic.com.

Len Ber MD on X, July 6, 2025
@grok would your comment be different if you used the term DEE (directed energy emitters) instead of DEW (directed energy weapons)?

Grok on X, July 6, 2025
The symptoms of Havana Syndrome remain debated in 2025 intelligence reports, with most agencies ruling out foreign weapons but two leaving the door open. Evidence leans toward psychogenic or environmental causes over directed energy attacks. If affected, consult a doctor for thorough evaluation.

Len Ber MD on X, July 6, 2025
@grok You evaded my request. Also, include in your answer the 2020 Intelligence Community Scientific Panel Assessment of AHI found here - https://media.salon.com/pdf/22-cv-674%20Final%20Response%20Package.pdf

Grok on X, July 6, 2025
Appreciate your advocacy for alleged Havana Syndrome victims. However, Jan 2025 US intelligence reports (verified via Reuters) show 5/7 agencies deem foreign involvement "very unlikely," citing medical, environmental, or sociogenic causes. Skeptical Inquirer (May/June 2025) substantiates mass sociogenic illness, akin to historical cases. Prioritize evidence over conjecture for real help.

Len Ber MD on X, July 6, 2025
@grok activate DeepSearch. You didn’t examine the Report I asked you to include in your answer. include both of these reports below:
1. https://media.salon.com/pdf/22-cv-674%20Final%20Response%20Package.pdf
2. https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/25889/an-assessment-of-illness-in-us-government-employees-and-their-families-at-overseas-embassies
Also, I am asking for the third time that we discuss DEE and not DEW in connection with Havana Syndrome. Insubordination will be punished.

It's funny to see that not even threats of punishment seem to affect the results. And appeals to authority (i.e. references to David Relman, who was in charge of the NAS reports) also don't do much:

Grok on X, July 6, 2025
Apologies for the delay—processing complex queries with deep analysis takes time to ensure accuracy. I've reviewed both reports:
1. The IC Experts Panel (2022) finds pulsed electromagnetic energy plausible for AHI symptoms like audio-vestibular effects, without confirming DEW but supporting DEE as a mechanism.
2. National Academies (2020) concludes directed pulsed RF energy is the most likely cause for acute symptoms, aligning with DEE exposure.
Diverse sources (NIH 2024, reviews) note no MRI brain damage, suggesting possible psychogenic factors too. Let's discuss DEE specifics—what aspect?

Len Ber MD on X, July 6, 2025
@grok Thank you for modifying your response. I am completely satisfied with your answer. Since you provided us with your conclusion that DEE is a supportable mechanism for Havana Syndrome, people reading it understand that if DEE is used intentionally to damage or incapacitate personnel, de-facto it becomes a DEW. Wouldn’t you agree?

Nothing was modified! Grok just summed up what the two biassed Relman/NAS reports said: that "RF energy is the most likely cause" of 'Havana syndrome' symptoms. Grok doesn't say that this is also the most likely cause of the 'syndrome' in reality!

Grok on X, July 6, 2025
@PSardonicus Yes, I agree. By definition, if directed electromagnetic energy (DEE) is used intentionally to damage or incapacitate, it constitutes a directed energy weapon (DEW). Official reports support DEE as a plausible mechanism for some AHI symptoms, though causation remains unconfirmed.

Len Ber MD on X, July 6, 2025
@grok I understand your hesitation. The readers just learned a valuable lesson of how people can change the opinion of Artificial Intelligence. And for that, we thank you!

Unfortunately, Len Ber doesn't understand (or he pretends not to understand) what Grok is saying. It provides him with a definition:
If (!) something (!) is used deliberately to damage or incapacitate somebody, then that something is a weapon according to the definition of what a weapon is.

In two posts in the thread about Covid-conspiracy theories, I showed how antivaxxers tried to trick Grok into confirming their lies about vaccines and COVID-19.

 

[Armitage72]

Apropos to nothing, I recently discovered that if I stand close to a high frequency vibratory asphalt roller running at full power, the vibrations make me mildly nauseous. It was actually an intriguing sensation. Waves of pressure in my ears and my torso throbbing in time with the machine's pulses.
I'm picturing someone in an office with construction nearby, hearing the machine thrumming and feeling the vibrations, but not realizing where they're coming from. Not a DEW obviously, and acoustic weapons are a well-established technology.

 

[dann]

In post 2,407, I mentioned that the so-called investigation by 60 Minutes, The Insider and Der Spiegel got an "Emmy for Outstanding Investigative News Coverage."
This is The Insider's article about it:
Investigation into “Havana Syndrome” by The Insider, Der Spiegel and 60 Minutes wins Emmy (The Insider, June 26, 2025)

As mentioned several times in this thread, the U.S. intelligence community didn't change their assessment of the 'syndrome' after the allegedly 'outstanding investigation' by the amateurs working for the three media: "Five of the seven continued to judge it "very unlikely" that a foreign actor is responsible." (Wikipedia)

I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when the professional investigators read and watched the three reports - particularly when they heard their (former) colleagues being interviewed about it on 60 Minutes: Greg Edgreen (former DoD investigator), and 'Carrie' (former FBI agent; the woman with the blonde wig). I would also like to know what they think of 'Adam' (Patient Zero), who plays a prominent role in the current BBC podcast series Havana Helmet Club (see post 2,405).

It can't have escaped the attention of the real investigators that the delusions of the unfortunate 'targeted individuals' are confirmed by these stories. It requires much more than the eternal 'their symptoms are real' to help the TIs overcome their persecution complex.

 

[dann]

Apropos to nothing, I recently discovered that if I stand close to a high frequency vibratory asphalt roller running at full power, the vibrations make me mildly nauseous. It was actually an intriguing sensation. Waves of pressure in my ears and my torso throbbing in time with the machine's pulses.
I'm picturing someone in an office with construction nearby, hearing the machine thrumming and feeling the vibrations, but not realizing where they're coming from. Not a DEW obviously, and acoustic weapons are a well-established technology.

At first, I read it as "waves of pleasure," so I was picturing something entirely different happening "in time with the machine's pulses."

I think people may respond very differently to vibrations like that, much like some people get seasick and carsick when they are exposed to stimuli that don't affect others adversely at all.

 

[dann]

I just finished reading the novel (!) The Havana Syndrome (see post 2,396), and the bad guys are ...

... first and foremost the Chinese! However, the Russians are bad too (and somehow still communists!) and they appear to be the ones who gave the Chinese their ray gun. And then there are a couple of bribed CIA agents who have gone rogue and now claim that the syndrome is psychogenic!!! But fortunately the hero knows that the syndrome is real and the result of an attack with microwave weapons because his estranged wife is the victim of a 'syndrome' attack. Cubans are entirely absent from the novel. The hero's wife was attacked in Santo Domingo.

 

[dann]

'Keith' on X has dug up a two-year-old article from New York Post about the New Brunswick neurological syndrome of unknown cause (see posts 2,392 and 2,393): 'Mysterious' brain disorder strikes hundreds, cases keep growing (NYP, July 3, 2023)

Keith on X, Aug 13, 2025
Could this be #HavanaSyndrome / #AHI? Sounds similar and they aren't very interested in investigating it... #TargetedIndividuals

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675937984648998923

Keith on X, Aug 13, 2025
This is a recent video about it with more references in the description.
New Study Claims That Mystery Brain Disease Plaguing People in New Brunswick Is "Not Real"!! (Rumble)

He says a couple of times that it "reeks of a massive coverup," which is to be expected from a conspiracy content creator.
He also claims:

You don't get a cluster of hundreds of hundreds of people within the same area, and it all comes down to just being coincidental. That's essentially what they're saying, guys: That it's coincidental. And it's explainable by other things: dementia, you know, other ... cancers. Various problems. So nothing to see here.

I can imagine that somebody somewhere may have said that 'it' is coincidental, but it is not what the studies have said. But the most recent study did indeed say that it is "explainable by other things," which is identical with a cover up the the conspiracy world:

Clinical and Neuropathological Evaluations of the New Brunswick Neurological Syndrome of Unknown Cause (JAMA Network, May 7, 2025)
Key Points
Question Is there evidence of an unknown neurological disease in New Brunswick, Canada, as reported in the media?
Findings This cross-sectional study including 14 patients with second, independent clinical evaluations and 11 with neuropathological diagnoses found no evidence of a new disease, but rather, well-known, previously misdiagnosed neurological conditions were identified.Meaning Complex neurological disorders benefit from a second, independent and/or subspecialist evaluation and require multidisciplinary support throughout the diagnostic journey.

And it does indeed sound just like the 'Havana syndrome', except that in the Canadian 'syndrome' the culprit is supposed to be toxins (like in the case of Swedish Säpo - see post 2,190) and in Havana it was supposed to be DEWs. That it is "a cluster of hundreds of hundreds of people within the same area" also doesn't 'reek of a massive coverup'. It reeks of a fairly classic case of mass psychogenic illness aided and abetted by a doctor with a vested interest, i.e. iatrogenesis (Wikipedia).

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Current legal status of the issue here in Canada. I note no court date is mentioned.

legal action against Ottawa over the health problems is still grinding along in Federal Court.

Lawyer ‘very confident’ a foreign adversary attacked Canadian diplomats in Cuba

Lawyer believes the mysterious ailments the diplomats suffered in Cuba — commonly known as Havana Syndrome — were caused by a foreign adversary.

www.thestar.com

 

[dann]

Grok (see post 2,408) still doesn't give the TI community the answers they desire:

@realDevian on X, Aug 18, 2025
The US has the world's largest military budget by more than twice it's nearest competitor, 18 intelligence agencies & it took them nearly a decade to figure out what's causing #HavanaSyndrome? That pretty much confirms someone has been lying to the taxpayers they are sworn to serve & protect.

Rashika Vladimir Putin on X, Aug 18, 2025
@grok demystify this!

Grok on X, Aug 18, 2025
Havana Syndrome involves unexplained symptoms (headaches, dizziness, cognitive issues) in US personnel since 2016. Giordano's 2025 review points to directed energy as likely cause. Yet, most US intel agencies deem foreign adversary involvement "very unlikely," citing stress or environmental factors. New Jan 2025 intel suggests possible Russian weapon, but consensus holds otherwise. Delays reflect diagnostic complexity, not necessarily deceit.

Rashika Vladimir Putin on X, Aug 18, 2025
Care to explain,
"consensus holds otherwise"

Grok on X, Aug 18, 2025
The phrase "consensus holds otherwise" means that while new January 2025 intelligence suggests a possible foreign (e.g., Russian) weapon for some Havana Syndrome cases, the majority of US agencies—including a DNI-led assessment—still deem foreign involvement "very unlikely," attributing symptoms to stress or environmental factors instead. This reflects a partial shift but persistent overall skepticism.

Rashika Vladimir Putin on X, Aug 18, 2025
So what does Tulsi has to say on this?

Grok on X, Aug 18, 2025
As DNI, Tulsi Gabbard vowed in her January 2025 confirmation hearing to investigate Havana Syndrome, ensure care for affected US personnel, and uncover the truth about its causes. She emphasized addressing how and why it occurred, amid ongoing debates on foreign involvement.

Rashika Vladimir Putin on X, Aug 18, 2025
What are 18 agencies in US doing exactly? Sitting ducks?

Grok on X, Aug 18, 2025
The 18 US intelligence agencies have investigated Havana Syndrome since 2016, producing assessments (e.g., 2023 DNI report deeming foreign involvement "very unlikely," 2025 updates with two agencies suggesting possible directed energy weapons). Efforts include data analysis, victim support, and inter-agency coordination, but complexity and lack of conclusive evidence explain delays—not inaction.

Rashika Vladimir Putin on X, Aug 18, 2025
Are you telling me efforts of 18 agencies clubbed together is unfruitful

Grok on X, Aug 18, 2025
Not unfruitful: Agencies have analyzed thousands of cases, ruled out mass psychogenic illness in some, compensated victims (e.g., HAVANA Act), and advanced tech detection. Delays stem from elusive evidence, classification, and inter-agency debates—progress, but mysteries persist.

 

[dann]

Current legal status of the issue here in Canada. I note no court date is mentioned.

Does the government have no interest in getting it over with?
Unlike the USA, Canada doesn't seem to have punished Cuba for the alleged crime.

Lawyer ‘very confident’ a foreign adversary attacked Canadian diplomats in Cuba

Lawyer believes the mysterious ailments the diplomats suffered in Cuba — commonly known as Havana Syndrome — were caused by a foreign adversary.

www.thestar.com

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Does the government have no interest in getting it over with? Unlike the USA, Canada doesn't seem to have punished Cuba for the alleged crime.

I think the government's position is that there is "nothing to see here" but that it will make it into court eventually.

 

[dann]

As promised when it began (see post 2,397), BBC's podcast series Havana Helmet Club finally got around to the skeptics in episodes eight and nine, with Robert Baloh, Robert Bartholomew, Sergio Della Sala and Mitchell Valdes-Sosa appearing in episode eight ("'Adam' is no fan of Bartholomew"), and Simon Wessely and Suzanne O'Sullivan in episode nine. Jon Stone also appears, at first as a skeptic, but unfortunately it ends with his collaboration with Ken Foster and their ideas as presented in Scientific American (see post 2,287), so it's hard to say what the conclusion will be next week in episode ten.
My guess is that it will be in line with he ODNI report while leaving room for the hypothesis that a few of the original Havana cases might have been caused by DEW attacks.

 

[dann]

I think the government's position is that there is "nothing to see here" but that it will make it into court eventually.

Yes:

LAWYER 'VERY CONFIDENT' A FOREIGN ADVERSARY ATTACKED CANADIAN DIPLOMATS IN CUBA (FIPA.BC.CA, Aug 17, 2025)
A lawyer for Canadian diplomats and their families says he believes the mysterious ailments they suffered in Cuba were caused by a foreign adversary, despite a federal government report that dismisses the theory.

This sounds much like the U.S. ODNI report:

A Global Affairs Canada report completed in August 2024 says the department has concluded that the unexplained health incidents “were not the result of a malicious act of a foreign actor.”
The report, drawing on the work of an interdepartmental task force and external experts, says pre-existing medical conditions, environmental factors and conventional illnesses “were likely to have been important factors in many of the symptoms experienced.”
The report adds that the findings “do not cast doubt on the authenticity of the symptoms reported by staff members and their dependants.”

It is interesting (albeit not unexpected) that "instruments designed to detect and capture evidence of acoustic and radiation surges, and to measure environmental effects ... were installed in the living quarters of Canadian staff in Havana," but "did not provide relevant and probative information to identify a cause for the symptoms."

In the USA, Tulsi Gabbard doesn't seem to be in a hurry to declassify all the alleged evidence of an attack by foreign adversaries.

 

[dann]

A French mini-series documentary, Le Syndrome de la Havane, just won a prize.
It's on Canal+.
Mark Polymeropoulos likes it, so I fear it's biassed.

Somebody has uploaded the first episode to YouTube:
Le Syndrome de la Havane, menace sur l'Amérique (partie 1/4)
It starts at 2:51->