Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Snark is fun and all, but I don't think French speakers are trying to get those nouns to think of themselves as trans*
 
I frequently misgendered nouns in French class without ever being accused of any hate crimes.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
If you happen across a French speaking person, ask them how many of their nouns they know that are customized for gender. :)

Any nouns that don't fit the pattern should be forced to conform to their true ontological nature.
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You simply have to be joking. The idea that inanimate things in French have feminine pronouns? Well ◊◊◊◊ me.
 
Ziggurat said:
Every rule always has a loophole for those who can get away with breaking it.
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If someone proclaims a rule with the intent of having people break it, then they shouldn't expect us to take the rule seriously.

The proclamation of #11,219 is hereby rescinded and held in abeyance until such a time as the rulemaker can come up with a new rule that they actually believe everyone should follow.
 
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Ivor the Engineer said:
When you're suggesting males being empowered to force transsexual men to leave a public toilet I think they are extremely similar. What rational reason could there be to do so?
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The debate about trans rights in public policy would be very different if it were actually about trans-identifying females wanting to intrude on men's restrooms.
 
theprestige said:
The debate about trans rights in public policy would be very different if it were actually about trans-identifying females wanting to intrude on men's restrooms.
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I seem to recall plenty of FtM folks posting about how silly they would look in the ladies' room back before Twitter was X.

I even seem to recall someone posting those tweets here, in an earlier iteration of the thread.
 
d4m10n said:
If someone proclaims a rule with the intent of having people break it, then they shouldn't expect us to take the rule seriously.
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Do you feel that way about speed limits? Everyone expects them to be broken, and they routinely are. Yet people don't just ignore them either.

I'm not sure you really understand the actual nature of rules and how humans interact with them. Your interpretation of them seems very child-like.
 
d4m10n said:
I seem to recall plenty of FtM folks posting about how silly they would look in the ladies' room back before Twitter was X.

I even seem to recall someone posting those tweets here, in an earlier iteration of the thread.
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And I seem to recall that this has been repeatedly and thoroughly addressed, across several iterations of this thread.

Women in men's restrooms aren't the issue, any more than women in men's sports.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody is this confused. The chaos is entirely manufactured by cynical scumbags. You don't have to play along with their nonsense.


I'm not saying it has to be functional. I'm saying it has no practical applications, except in relation to sex.

Get rid of that relationship, and it has no practical meaning. You keep trying to get practical meaning from it, while ignoring the relationship to sex.

Go ahead. Define "woman", without reference to sex, and without circularity.

By contrast, here's my sex-based definition of "woman": Adult human female. This definition has practical applications. For example, it tells us who does and doesn't belong in a women's restroom.

So what's your sex-agnostic, but non-circular and practical definition of "woman"?
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What sex you are is a fact and cannot be changed with our present technology, where did you get the idea I was agnostic about that?

The equality decision in the uk has defined woman as a biological female, but in spite of that I will live my life treating anyone who takes on the woman gender role as a woman until it hits hard definitions like private spaces or sports and such, in which case it's what sex you are that matters anyway.

So my definition of a woman would be whomever takes on that gender role, subconsciously led by society, or consciously.

No one can change their sex, so the stunningly obvious thing to do is to is to make the important things i mentioned above as sex based and label them as such.
 
Ziggurat said:
Everyone expects them to be broken, and they routinely are. Yet people don't just ignore them either.
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Do you see the glaring disanalogy here?

Smartcooky's proposed rule only works if people who pass as the opposite sex choose to break the rule.

Speed limits work even better if everyone chooses to follow them; accidents go down and average throughput goes up.
 
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