Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

theprestige said:
How does your answer avoid the bigot lottery?
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It gives clearly defined rights to transsexual people and does not empower bigots to whip up hate. Your proposed non-solution is akin to Rosa Parks being asked to move to the back of the bus.

Allowing groups of black men to walk around at night puts single people at increased risk of physical assault. This is not because of something intrinsic to black human males or something that must always happen to a proportion of them when they form a group, but because of deep rooted societal issues that we prefer to mostly ignore or refuse to even acknowledge, let alone spend any money addressing. This is the immeasurable damage the belief in free will and tropes based on it, such as The American Dream and Pulling One's Self Up by One's Bootstraps do. They allow us to point to the people who got lucky as examples of what hard graft can achieve and condemn everyone else who didn't make it as intrinsically lazy and/or bad, when in reality their only failing was not being gifted with above average talent or being lucky enough to end up in an environment that allowed them to flourish.
 
Sigh. Transgender issues are nothing like racial issues. This has been clearly explained in detail many times. Give up.
 
lionking said:
Sigh. Transgender issues are nothing like racial issues. This has been clearly explained in detail many times. Give up.
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When you're suggesting males being empowered to force transsexual men to leave a public toilet I think they are extremely similar. What rational reason could there be to do so?
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
When you're suggesting males being empowered to force transsexual men to leave a public toilet I think they are extremely similar. What rational reason could there be to do so?
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Yep. It's like Muslim countries where women who don't wear a veil or burka are beaten by men.
 
acbytesla said:
Yep. It's like Muslim countries where women who don't wear a veil or burka are beaten by men.
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Don’t play dumb. You know that women are almost exclusively the victims of violence by transwomen. You know, the things that simply do not happen (they do of course) or do not matter because transwomen deserve their entitlement to women’s change rooms, prisons, sports etc.
 
Wow SC! you find a few people in the media that did something that offend you. I live in Seattle. One of the most tolerant, liberal cities in the US. Not an issue. All I ever see is hateful bigots who are determined to treat other human beings as crap. They hate anyone that is different than them.
 
acbytesla said:
Wow SC! you find a few people in the media that did something that offend you. I live in Seattle. One of the most tolerant, liberal cities in the US. Not an issue. All I ever see is hateful bigots who are determined to treat other human beings as crap. They hate anyone that is different than them.
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Your response is pretty much what I expected. You have zero interest in even looking at anything that might disturb your predetermined worldview, let alone learning something. I feel sorry for you, spending so much of your life not understanding that you've been lied to about reality.
 
acbytesla said:
Wow SC! you find a few people in the media that did something that offend you. I live in Seattle. One of the most tolerant, liberal cities in the US. Not an issue. All I ever see is hateful bigots who are determined to treat other human beings as crap. They hate anyone that is different than them.
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Ohhhh, someone else who is throwing up a minor part of the US as an example of how the whole world does (or should, it’s not clear) operate.

Meanwhile in the rest of the civilised world some of the excessive concessions granted to TRAs are being reversed. Please refer to the Cass Report and the recent UK Supreme Court judgement. As well as sporting bodies coming to their senses.

The influence of TRAs peaked about 2 years ago and the world (maybe apart from Seattle) is coming to its senses.

Now I shouldn’t have to say this, but nobody on “my side” denies anyone the right to gender expression or wants to see transgender discriminated against in employment, social welfare and housing. What I object to is TRAs impacting on the rights, safety and wellbeing of women, particularly, to repeat, in women’s safe places, prisons and sports.
 
lionking said:
Beat me to it. The ECHR is safely ignored. The worst that can happen is a few angry press releases.
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There may still be posters here willing to pretend they don't understand why women have more reason to be afraid of men than vice versa, or why abolishing female only facilities etc affects all women, but elsewhere the reality based community is prevailing on this issue (if on few others). It's always been perfectly clear what the Equality Act means, regardless of wilful misinterpretations to the contrary. I shall be interested to see what happens if it does go to the EHRC.
 
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Pixel42 said:
There may still be posters here willing to pretend they don't understand why women have more reason to be afraid of men than vice versa, or why abolishing female only facilities etc affects all women, but elsewhere the reality based community is prevailing on this issue (if on few others). It's always been perfectly clear what the Equality Act means, regardless of wilful misinterpretations to the contrary. I shall be interested to see what happens if it does go to the ECHR.
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Yes, you make a good point. Even though the ECHR has very little enforcement power, its judgement could be used as a precedent.
 
smartcooky said:
Here's the thing y'all keeping missing - if the person passes, I mean ACTUALLY passes, no-one's ever going to know anyway.
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No idea how you can square this with your proclamation that "Whether they identify as woman, man, male, female, non-binary, lesbian, gay, homosexual, queer, +, ++, two -spirit, furrie, attack helicopter, or any letter(s) of the alphabet, they use the facilities that are commensurate with their BIOLOGICAL SEX."

Are you now amending your seemingly black-and-white rule with a loophole for people who can get away with breaking it?

Can you please clarify whether you believe people who pass as the opposite sex ought to adhere to the proclamation of #11,219 or not?
 
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acbytesla said:
Approximately 1 in 200 people identify as transgender in the US. Their lives barely intersect others.
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If you happen across an American middle- or high-schooler, ask them how many folks they know who have altered or customized their pronouns.
 
d4m10n said:
If you happen across an American middle- or high-schooler, ask them how many folks they know who have altered or customized their pronouns.
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If you happen across a French speaking person, ask them how many of their nouns they know that are customized for gender. :)

Any nouns that don't fit the pattern should be forced to conform to their true ontological nature.
 
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