theprestige
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The principle that biological sex trumps any self-id, when it comes to sex segregation, seems quite weighty to me.
What's the basis of your disagreement?
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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What's the basis of your disagreement?
Thermal
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Whether we are even talking about sex segregation is the first point to be ironed out. See the first 15 installments of this thread
d4m10n
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Would it be so very different that people wouldn't toss out oversimplified solutions like the first quote in post #11,223?
d4m10n
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I thought we'd reached consensus on this point somewhat earlier. We are talking about sex segregation and gender (i.d.) segregation and whether one ought to win out in some specific contexts.
theprestige
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We have always and ever and only been talking about sex segregation.
theprestige
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Mu. What complexity do you believe the "oversimplified" solution overlooks?
smartcooky
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Its not an oversimplification at all. Its what we have always done.
d4m10n
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I don't think it's a particularly pro-feminist plan to force passing trans men into women's spaces.
I don't think it's a particularly pro-feminist plan to force passing trans men into women's spaces.
theprestige
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Thermal
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We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Thermal
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The hilited has yet again been claimed to not exist, because it undermines half of the anti-trans platform. The other half of the platform is the tweetys of individual transpeople doing bad things or not looking convincingly ladylike, in microscopic proportion to the actual trans population.
smartcooky
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Here's the thing y'all keeping missing - if the person passes, I mean ACTUALLY passes, no-one's ever going to know anyway.
The other thing you're missing is that if a transgender identified female want's to use the men's room, it's their risk to take.
If you think this issue is symmetrical, you'd be wrong, because biological sex is not symmetrical.Females using the men's is NOT equal and opposite to males using the women's.
acbytesla
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It just amazes me how this thread goes on an on and on . As if these people's lives affect any of yours more than coincidentally. In the meantime Trump is destroying the World economy and promoting racism and corruption. But the hatred against people that are different is an obsession.
smartcooky
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Rubbish. They affect half the population... the women... you know, the half of the population you don't give a flying ◊◊◊◊ about.
They affect every single women I know... my daughters, grand-daughters, female siblings, female friends, colleagues and acquaintances. NOT ONE OF THEM WANTS TO SHARE A TOILET, BATHROOM, CHANGING ROOM, RESTROOM, OR HOSPITAL WARD WITH ANY BIOLOGICAL MAN. (I have asked them, so I know!)
Only a rank misogynist ****-hole would force that on any woman, let alone on women who actual MEAN something to them. Maybe you don't care about the women in your life... if so, that's your choice.
There a thread to discuss that...
General thread.
To kick off, a list of appointees to key positions, notable for their loyalty to Trump.
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To kick off, a list of appointees to key positions, notable for their loyalty to Trump.
Trump's picks for key positions in his second administration
Donald Trump is starting to fill key posts in his administration, putting an emphasis on aides and allies who were his strongest backers during the campaign.
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Your framing of the issue sucks!
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acbytesla
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No, it's right on. Approximately 1 in 200 people identify as transgender in the US. Their lives barely intersect others.Rubbish. They affect half the population... the women... they affect every single women I know... my daughters, grand-daughters, female siblings, female friends, colleagues and acquaintances. NOT ONE OF THEM WANTS TO SHARE A TOILET, BATHROOM, CHANGING ROOM, RESTROOM, OR HOSPITAL WARD WITH ANY BIOLOGICAL MAN. (I have asked them, so I know!)
Only a rank misogynist ****-hole would force that on any woman, let alone on women who actual MEAN something to them. Maybe you don't care about the women in your life... if so, that's your choice.
There a thread to discuss that...
General thread.
To kick off, a list of appointees to key positions, notable for their loyalty to Trump.
Trump's picks for key positions in his second administration
Donald Trump is starting to fill key posts in his administration, putting an emphasis on aides and allies who were his strongest backers during the campaign.
Your framing of the issue sucks!
smartcooky
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Have you been asleep for the last 10 years? If not, have you been paying attention. If so, you will know that they DO intersect the lives of others.
This is a partial list of people who have been targeted by outrage mobs for expressing ideas or speaking objective reality. Their consequences for speaking scientific truth have ranged from being fired, having papers retracted for no reason, deplatforming and ruination of their careers to
threats of violence and death.
Colin Wright, an evolutionary biologist.
Driven out of academia by an Twitter outrage mob for arguing in favour of a scientific truth, namely, that there are only two biological human sexes.
Dr. Kathleen Stock OBE.
Denounced and targeted as a “transphobe” by over 700 of her academic colleagues for the crime of advocating Gender Critical viewpoints, specifically that transwomen should be excluded from places like women’s locker rooms and shelters, and rape crisis centres, as well as for calling for an end to the assocation between UK universities and Stonewall.
Kathleen Stock: University of Sussex free speech row professor quits
Protesters had tried to have Professor Kathleen Stock sacked for her views on gender identity.
www.bbc.com
Professor Selina Todd, history professor at Oxford University’s St. Hilda College.
Targeted by a Twitter outrage mob who had her "no-platformed" by the Oxford International Women's Festival, at which she had been due to speak. The event's organisers told her the decision was due to pressure from trans activists. Apparently, she had the temerity to state that there is a need for women-only spaces because of past violence against women by natural born males. She had to be given security because some of those nice, cuddly, inoffensive people that a number of posters here love to support, made threats of physcial violence agianst her.
Oxford professor given security following threats
A FEMINIST Oxford professor has been given security guards to protect her following threats from transgender activists.
www.oxfordmail.co.uk
Prof Frances Widdowson, a tenured Associate Professor in the Economic, Justice, and Policy Studies Department at Mout Royal Universit, Canada
Fired in 2021 for trying to stand up for the liberal science method and for academtic freedom
No Forbidden Zones
Tyrel Cameron Eskelson illustrates the dire the state of academic freedom in Canada.
www.afaf.org.uk
Professor Nathaniel Hiers of the College of North Texas.
Fired for calling microaggressions “garbage”. A lawsuit is ongoing against the College and Department Chair for violation of his rights to speech and academic freedom.
Court: University of North Texas professor’s First Amendment retaliation lawsuit over firing for calling ‘microaggression’ flyers ‘garbage’ can continue
A First Amendment lawsuit filed by a former University of North Texas adjunct professor over microaggressions can continue, a federal district court judge held.
Professor Kathleen Lowery.
Removed from her position as Associate Chair for Academic Programs in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. Her crime? She expressed her disgreement with the idea that biological sex is irrelevant. She said that housing trans-identified men in women’s prisons is not fair to women prisoners and puts women at risk.
U of A professor says she was dismissed over views that biological sex trumps transgender identity for policy decisions
A University of Alberta associate professor says she was dismissed from an administrative role over her views that transgender identity doesn’t trump biological sex…
edmontonjournal.com
Laura Tanner, graduate student in Feminist Studies, UCSB.
Attacked by the outrage mob in an attempt to remove her from campus and teaching, because she stated the scientific and biological facts that there are only two biological sexes, and that a man can never become a woman.
UCSB Teaching Assistant Under Fire From Colleagues, Students for Transphobic Tweets | The Daily Nexus
The Twitter account, which features the T.A.'s photograph and name, contains hundreds of tweets and retweets espousing transphobic views.
dailynexus.com
Stephen Gliske, Neuroscientist, UMich.
Targeted for presenting a proposing a new theory of gender dysphoria that offended some trans activists and their academic sychophants.
Censorious Academics Try Again
Help stop another censorious academic outrage mob.
www.psychologytoday.com
Linda Gottfredson, Psychology, University of Delaware
Disinvited from a conference in Sweden for presenting research showing that there are group differences in average IQ test scores and for reviewing research showing that intelligence is heritable. In fact, intelligence is indeed heritable to some extent, but apparently, saying so triggered some snowflakes in Swedish academia.
Linda Gottfredson’s Scientific Keynote Cancelled: Why?
A profound discomfort with empirical findings emerging from intelligence research lies at the heart of the disinvitation.
quillette.com
Lisa Littman, MD & behavioral scientist, Brown U
Fired from a consulting position because her paper on “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria” butthurt a few transgender activists, professionals, and academics.
Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria
A researcher found that parents claimed their teenage kids expressed transgender identification out of the blue. All hell broke loose. Science improved. Maybe.
www.psychologytoday.com
Sandie Peggie, an NHS nurse in Scotland. Forced to share a changing room with a biological male doctors, and fired for complaining about it.
Peggie v NHS Fife - Wikipedia
Jennifer Melle, an NHS Nurse in London. Fired for calling a convicted transgender self-identified male pedofile "he"
Nurse who called transgender paedophile ‘Mr’ is suspended after investigation
Jennifer Melle was called racial slurs by the convicted sex offender, after expressing her ‘Christian beliefs’
www.telegraph.co.uk
Eight Nurses (Margaret Peacock, Mary Spence, Margaret Stephenson, Elizabeth Sanderson, Hannah Foster, Mary Brown, Sarah Hunter & Ruth Bell): from Darlington Memorial Hospital, Country Durham. They are eight of 26 nurses who have been threatened with dismissal for complaining about the employer's policy of allowing their colleague, who was born male but identifies as a woman, to use their women's facilities at their workplace. These girls are smart, and filed lawsuits with the Employment tribunal before they were fired, thereby preventing NHS from firing them.
Darlington nurses object to trans colleague using changing room
Eight Darlington nurses are taking their NHS trust to a tribunal over the changing room policy.
www.bbc.com
This is just a tiny selection of the thousands of academics and ordinary working people who have been fired, lost positions, been forced to retract papers, and received threats of violence and death because they dared to challenge the Holy Creed of the Gender Ideology Cult.
Some of those responsible for those death threats are among this collection of your lovely friends... the people YOU are advocating for.
transcrimeuk.com/
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smartcooky
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If you are genuinely interested in why I think you are wrong (and I doubt you are genuinely interested) you will put aside an hour to watch this video of Frances Widdowson (mentioned above) interviewing Mia Hughes, author of "The WPATH Files". You will find out about the massive destruction to many young lives brought about by the Transgender Rights Activist movement - the people YOU support. You will find out have debate is not permistted, and dissentersr are silenced.
If you do have the courage to watch, I promise it will be very uncomfortabe for you to learn that you are on the wrong side of this debate.
Here is a link to The WPATH Files - Warning: link will download an 18MB PDF
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Looks lke the UKSC decision may be going to the ECHR.
www.theguardian.com
UK’s first transgender judge seeks rehearing of supreme court case on biological sex
Exclusive: Victoria McCloud says court undermined her rights to a fair trial when it refused to hear her evidence
www.theguardian.com
smartcooky
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It won't make any difference. In the unlikely event that ECHL tries to over-rule the UK Supreme Court, the UK will simply tell the ECHR to shove it where the monkey put the nut... and it wouldn't be the first time they did that. The Northern Ireland conflict, Rwandan illegal immigrant deportations and the Iraq War detainees issue are three prior examples.Looks lke the UKSC decision may be going to the ECHR.
UK’s first transgender judge seeks rehearing of supreme court case on biological sex
Exclusive: Victoria McCloud says court undermined her rights to a fair trial when it refused to hear her evidence
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Beat me to it. The ECHR is safely ignored. The worst that can happen is a few angry press releases.
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